WB62
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Taken from the GO Transit Reddit page:
Thanks Paul, looks pretty serious from the photo I saw, but I know nothing of locomotives or their coaches.The derailment was directly under the skywalk at John St.
Not serious equipment wise but in a very critical location.
- Paul
Completely forgot to check the sub!Taken from the GO Transit Reddit page:
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I don’t think I’d be taking and posting this picture if I worked there, making people you work for look bad isn’t a good ideaCompletely forgot to check the sub!
Relevant comment to the post- On-site user says RTC moved switch while train on it. View attachment 712379
Completely forgot to check the sub!
Relevant comment to the post- On-site user says RTC moved switch while train on it. View attachment 712379
Agreed...I don’t think I’d be taking and posting this picture if I worked there, making people you work for look bad isn’t a good idea
I don’t think I’d be taking and posting this picture if I worked there, making people you work for look bad isn’t a good idea
There should be a TSB report, as they are a very capable body that does excellent and thorough investigative work. But since GO is a provincial transit company and it's on a Metrolinx right-of-way, all safety investigations are provincial jurisdiction. TSB only gets brought in at MTO's request.I have to agree that the remarks made represented a serious risk to someone's employment.... but... I would never criticise a possible whistle blower.
The question of ML ought to be, will there be a TSB investigation and a publicly discoverable report?
There are technical allegations here that deserve to be investigated by the safety agency and that deserve transparency. We can count on ML to bury the whole event as deeply as they can.
Simply put: the whole point of having a complex, techncially high quality interlocking signalling system is to prevent anyone from throwing a switch under a train. And, even if they tried to do that, why did the machinery not refuse to follow that command? The allegation that the switch was thrown under the train inadvertently or knowingly is very concerning. (At this point, that allegation is not necessarily proven, but it deserves to be reviewed objectively by independent examiners, and either disproven or verified). There are other possible explanations so I would not take this allegation to the bank.....yet.
This is a case where I hope our lurking investigative reporters from the formal media are reading and taking action. This may be the kind of "typical" service interruption that commuters endure and quickly forget, but it's extraordinary in terms of ML's safety management system.
If ML is not willing to openly discuss and assist with a third party investigation, it's a very serious indictment of both their safety culture and their public responsibilities.
- Paul
I have to agree that the remarks made represented a serious risk to someone's employment.... but... I would never criticise a possible whistle blower.
The question of ML ought to be, will there be a TSB investigation and a publicly discoverable report?
There are technical allegations here that deserve to be investigated by the safety agency and that deserve transparency. We can count on ML to bury the whole event as deeply as they can.
Simply put: the whole point of having a complex, techncially high quality interlocking signalling system is to prevent anyone from throwing a switch under a train. And, even if they tried to do that, why did the machinery not refuse to follow that command? The allegation that the switch was thrown under the train inadvertently or knowingly is very concerning. (At this point, that allegation is not necessarily proven, tThere are other possible explanations so I would not take this allegation to the bank.....yet.) But... it deserves to be reviewed objectively by independent examiners, and either disproven or verified.
This is a case where I hope our lurking investigative reporters from the formal media are reading and taking action. This may be the kind of "mundane" service interruption that commuters endure and quickly forget, but it's extraordinary in terms of ML's safety management system.
If ML is not willing to openly discuss and assist with a third party investigation, it's a very serious indictment of both their safety culture and their public responsibilities.
- Paul
They're lying. It's physically not possible for a switch to be moved remotely when a train is occupying the switch. Anyone who says otherwise has no understanding of a conventional signalling system.
The switches are electrically isolated after the route is selected and when the train is occupying the track circuit. A very, very bad wrong side failure would have had to occur for what they were describing to happen. Like a relay melting.
Oh wow, post is deleted.The deleted comment says RTC moved the switch while the train was on it, and someone responded that:
It just sounds like a lot of information being spitballed.The deleted comment says RTC moved the switch while the train was on it, and someone responded that:
Oh wow, post is deleted.
I can pull my repost down as well if everyone thinks its best to do that.




