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Perhaps I should change my forum name to Troubled?
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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Towered
Superstar
Also, how long was the 4 track segment in 1978?
Undead
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Troubled and don't want help or lost and don't want to be found.
WB62
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I have nothing to add in terms of opinion, just throwing this info out there since I was reading about it the other day. In the 1992 study Summerhill station was going to entirely use the old building, which would’ve kept costs down as a new facility wouldn’t have needed to be built:
Northern Light
Superstar
An interesting question, and one hard to give a perfect answer to, unless @Willybru21 has the track diagrams from that year too, LOL
The 1978 imagery gets quite fuzzy when you zoom.
Also, while there are never less than 2 mainline tracks, there are definitely many more that phase in/out be they local service tracks, tracks in/out of yards, or passing tracks.
But broadly, it appears that most of the ROW was 4 active tracks or more from Beth Nealson (Thorncliffe Drive) in the east to the Humber River in the west, with the associated bridges at those points bringing the corridor down to 2 tracks in each case.
The widest number of active tracks, outside of yards, appears to have been in/around Shaw, where I can clearly identify six tracks.
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DirectionNorth
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I think that any discussion of Midtown will come from capacity challenges at Union Station. GO RER is not even supposed to finish construction until the early 2030s, and the USRC offers capacity for, in my very unqualified opinion, decades of growth. The station building itself is probably a bigger barrier, but we have little idea of what it will look like beyond @Willybru21's diagrams, and it looks adequate to me.
Midtown GO risks crowding Yonge to an unbearable degree, and that risk goes up, not down, as the transit network expands and the city grows. Bypassing Yonge is also not an option; that's where everyone wants to go. Additionally, Union is a far bigger destination (downtown), and frequency splitting will increase travel time far more than diverting trains to Midtown.
The better solution to hypothetical GO capacity crunches at Union, and keep in mind that I would be shocked to see either Midtown or this happen, would be an RER tunnel under King or similar; I am thinking of LSW-LSE and leaving the other, far less busy, lines to Union; but you can draw any number of crayon scenarios here.
I agree that Midtown will be examined at some point, for no other reason than the fact that it exists. But unless we have become New York City-bad at cost control, it is the weakest option to offer circumferential service and GO capacity relief, and I do not think it will advance close to the construction stage.
drum118
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Get in your concert era with GO Transit |
| GO is adjusting train and bus service to help serve fans better for each of the concert days. |
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Lakeshore East & West customers can enjoy extra trips before and after the concerts. Barrie, Kitchener, Milton and Stouffville customers can benefit from trains departing after the concerts are over, ensuring you get home safely. Lastly, some bus trips across the network will be modified to accommodate anticipated heavy gridlock. Plan ahead and so you can enjoy the best day! |
SaugeenJunction
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Awesome find. I also understand that this corridor was looked at much much more recently than 1992
WB62
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Don’t follow that diagram anymore! It’s definitely not the layout that they’re moving forward with. It’s a good thing to base your expectations off of but many many things have changed since I made that.
I’m a bit concerned with USRC capacity post-all the upgrades. Potentially the Bolton Line and (although I strongly believe it’ll end up underneath Union in a new area) HFR will have to be included eventually, on top of the new GO Expansion services. There might not be enough capacity for it to all work out.
No need to draw up any concepts, Metrolinx has you covered with that. Here’s some of their plans for a downtown relief tunnel from the 2010’s:
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WB62
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Haha I actually don’t have a super good archive of track diagrams, only a physical copy of the GO sub in the 90’s.
It’s a coincidence I happened to have a photo of the Midtown line diagrams as this conversation popped up, I literally just went to the library on Sunday to read about it and that’s what I found.
anb
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I feel for the people that would have work on these days, or just have absolutely nothing to do with this, and see their trains get modified to cater to the people for the concerts, instead of just running an extra separate train for them on the other lines as well (aside from Milton for the obvious reason I guess).
Get in your concert era with GO Transit
GO is adjusting train and bus service to help serve fans better for each of the concert days.
Lakeshore East & West customers can enjoy extra trips before and after the concerts. Barrie, Kitchener, Milton and Stouffville customers can benefit from trains departing after the concerts are over, ensuring you get home safely. Lastly, some bus trips across the network will be modified to accommodate anticipated heavy gridlock. Plan ahead and so you can enjoy the best day!
T3G
Senior Member
As well, it is difficult to understand the logic of running multiple extras inbound on the Lakeshore lines, but only one outbound. Inbound the demand should be staggered, as not everyone is going to be leaving at the exact same time to get there, but the demand will be pretty uniform outbound, and I have serious doubts that a single trip will suffice.
Anastasia
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Bojaxs
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WB62
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Was new years even bad on the GO side? Every single photo I saw of the crowds at Union Station was people heading to the subway, not the GO concourses.