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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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crs1026
Superstar
Likely all of the above, and more.
Freight is mostly shuffling roadswitchers that travel short distances, and one transfer a day to CP which follows a single routing through the Weston tunnel and takes a slow path onto CP . No need for freight to travel faster, and why add to maintenance costs.
- Paul
Krypto98
Active Member
Yeah, would probably save us 5 minutes at the most for the CP transfer only to be blocked at CN Humber by higher priority 1xx and 3xx trains... I've waited 3 hours there before
smallspy
Senior Member
A small part of it is the signal progression and sighting.
But a large part of it is that Metrolinx is afraid that the big, bad freight trains will damage their track. Seriously.
Dan
Krypto98
Active Member
90% of the time to the CP transfer we use the lighter low horsepower engines plus usually its not more than 50 cars we are sending over or bringing back... logically just speed restrict heavy axle loads. But it's their track so they call the shots.
I seriously hope they don't do the same on the Guelph...
RU479
Active Member
So I have noticed something occurring, trains no longer seem to be following old route patterns.
For example, the 5:08 train to Allandale used to become the 8:03 to Union the following day. Which in turn would turn into the 12:34 to Kitchener (before the April 8 cuts it used to go to Mount Joy and then Kitchener). And it would then return back to Union to become the 4:38 to Allandale.
But now, the 8:03 to Union then goes out of service and an entirely new consist is brought out for the 12:34 to Kitchener and then 4:38 to Allandale run.
For example, the 5:08 train to Allandale used to become the 8:03 to Union the following day. Which in turn would turn into the 12:34 to Kitchener (before the April 8 cuts it used to go to Mount Joy and then Kitchener). And it would then return back to Union to become the 4:38 to Allandale.
But now, the 8:03 to Union then goes out of service and an entirely new consist is brought out for the 12:34 to Kitchener and then 4:38 to Allandale run.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Would you mind the using 24h clock? I had to reread this several times before I figured out what the pattern is you're describing.
Northern Light
Superstar
The 5:08 to Allandale shown in his post is 17:08
The 4:38 to Allandale shown in his post is 16:38. (the following day)
The other times are unchanged.
alexb
Active Member
The 5:48 Barrie train this morning had an operational issue past Downsview and was almost 2 hours late delaying every train behind it as well. Some passengers onboard that train are saying on Twitter that it was announced that a crew change was needed - anyone know why this would happen? Haven't heard that one before.
crs1026
Superstar
Crews are relieved under at least two scenarios - one being, a crew member is not able to continue working (health, injury, or traumatic event) and the other being, a formal investigation is foreseen and the crew is placed “out of service” pending statements, investigator activity, etc.
Also, when trains face delay, crews may “time out” on their limit to hours at work before the service can resume.
In either case it may take two hours to call a replacement crew.
I won’t speculate on this event, but yes having to replace the crew after an incident is quite common.
- Paul
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smallspy
Senior Member
just east of the creek
Senior Member
Not much of a service aspect to that decision when they are less than 20 km (?) from Union.
crs1026
Superstar
Have you ever had to drive home after being involved in an auto collision? Or even pulled over for a ticket?
If a crew has just had an experience that is unsettling and has potential for repercussions, they should not be continuing in service as there will be too many things on their minds.
Not to mention the legalities of letting them continue when there may be allegations hanging in the air.
The constraint is a single track line with no ability to line other trains past the stopped train.
- Paul
T3G
Senior Member
For the railway challenged among us (me), what exactly happened? I don't know what rule 42 is. Did the crew fail to slow for a workzone?
crs1026
Superstar
When construction or maintenance crews are working on or close to the tracks, they are protected by “Rule 42” authority, which consists of written instructions to every train outlining where the worrk zone is located. The zone where the work crew has authority to work is marked by flags (metal signs, actually) placed on the tracks. Trains must contact a Foreman who controls movement through the work zone for authority to pass the red flag marking the zone. The Foreman confirms that everyone is clear of the track and that it is safe to pass through the work zone. Until this permission is received, the train has no authority tto proceed and must stop and await clearance from the Foreman.
The point is, this form of protection is entirely manual, with no mechanical backup. The signal system may display proceed indications, but the crew must remember that the work zone is there, must watch for the flags, and must follow the rule book to work with the Foreman.
What can go wrong involves not just the train crew but the Foreman and the written instructions and documentation, and/or the placement and visibility of the flags. So it is important to not just assume that the crew was at fault here. The events and facts have to be determined in some detail before any conclusions are reached. That’s why the crew is taken out of service - and it’s why I would discourage any speculation here on UT. So far, all we know is that an event happened.
- Paul
The point is, this form of protection is entirely manual, with no mechanical backup. The signal system may display proceed indications, but the crew must remember that the work zone is there, must watch for the flags, and must follow the rule book to work with the Foreman.
What can go wrong involves not just the train crew but the Foreman and the written instructions and documentation, and/or the placement and visibility of the flags. So it is important to not just assume that the crew was at fault here. The events and facts have to be determined in some detail before any conclusions are reached. That’s why the crew is taken out of service - and it’s why I would discourage any speculation here on UT. So far, all we know is that an event happened.
- Paul
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