News   Jul 10, 2024
 177     0 
News   Jul 09, 2024
 985     1 
News   Jul 09, 2024
 1.9K     4 

Globe: Second NHL Team for Toronto?

Can Bettman block the team from ever going to Hamilton even if they show that they can sell out season tickets through ticketmaster at the moment?

Bettman needs to be fired!!! I can't stand the dude. Hockey is Canada, oh, but let's stick some more teams in the Southern USA where the market for Hockey is null and a big heap of shit
 
Yeh I believe it's up to bettman and the NHL board of governors. They have the 80 km rule in place and the leafs and sabres franchises may very well exercise that to keep a team out of 'their marketplace'. Again it's the sabres, which is a small market team, that will be the one that likely protests the most. From what I understand that rule wouldn't be apllicable for K-W. It'll be interesting to see hwt happens with this as Balsiliie seems very intent on moving the team to Canada. He's a big blue chip player with solid money who loves hockey above all other sports- the type of ownershp that the NHL needs right now. I would also think there is some pressure on the NHL as the sentiments you expressed are quite prevalent among Canadian hockey fans- not to mention some US ones as well.
 
He's a big blue chip player with solid money who loves hockey above all other sports- the type of ownershp that the NHL needs right now.

Exactly. He really wants a hockey team, and he really wants it in Hamilton or K-W. He's a risk taker.

The only thing he's got in common with the wrong kind of hockey owner (say a partnership between a pension fund and a media company in a an extremely loyal market that's more interested in real estate, for example, totally hypothetical) is they both have solid money.
 
I wonder if they'll change the name. I don't love the "Predators" name myself. Maybe the Hamilton Steelbacks (get some sponsorship too;)?
 
Hamilton Spectator

Link to article

Let the Leafs run Copps?

The talk around southern Ontario is that MLSE could become the new HECFI
By Steve Milton
The Hamilton Spectator
More articles by this columnist
(Jun 19, 2007)

Several times over the past few years, this corner has laughingly suggested that the way for Hamilton to land an NHL team is to let the Toronto Maple Leafs run Copps Coliseum.

But is it still such a big fat joke?

It seems far-fetched but such an agreement could work, from a business perspective, for both sides.

And there have been minor rumblings within the southern Ontario entertainment industry that Jim Balsillie has made exploratory contact with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Limited about that very possibility.

Balsillie has an agreement with the city to lease Copps Coliseum -- plus Hamilton Place and Hamilton Convention Centre -- in case he can move an NHL team here. At this point that team would be the Nashville Predators, should the team be able to escape its lease in Tennessee. The co-CEO of Waterloo's Research in Motion has a non-binding agreement to purchase the Preds from current owner Craig Leipold.

MLSE runs the Toronto Maple Leafs, but over the past five years the biggest growth segment, and perhaps the most lucrative arm, of their company has been the operation of arenas.

Besides the Air Canada Centre, which they own, MLSE runs Ricoh Coliseum and BMO Field (both on the Canadian National Exhibition grounds), plus the new arena in Oshawa. The company will also operate the new practice arena and training complex scheduled to be built near the west-end Lakeshore Arena, where the Leafs regularly practice. And this doesn't even include those downtown condos.

A management contract for the HECFI facilities would give the Leafs some percentage of the action in seven of the larger major entertainment venues in the Golden Horseshoe.

Balsillie's lawyer, Richard Rodier, did not return calls yesterday and a spokesman for MLSE wouldn't comment on the matter.

"At this point, any discussion about the Predators is premature and hypothetical in nature," said MLSE vice-president John Lashway. "We don't comment on hypothetical matters."

MLSE feels the same way about another local team that an arachnophobe feels about spiders. And the company's collective mood certainly hasn't improved with Balsillie's season ticket drive in Hamilton: apparently going well past the 12,000 mark yesterday, and with corporate box sales cut off at 80.

But, if a relocation of the Preds -- or, failing that, another faltering NHL franchise -- to southern Ontario begins to appear inevitable, MLSE would have to look to extract as much as they could from a new team. They are, and must be, a bottom-line company.

By the NHL constitution any team relocating within 80 kilometres of the Leafs' home would be required to pay a negotiated indemnification. Would MLSE rather have a large lump sum payment and nothing else, or a smaller upfront amount plus the yearly guaranteed income that would come with a management contract?

And don't count Leafs-TV out of the overall mix. The MLSE-owned digital channel could also be given preference in bidding for the broadcast rights of a team here. For years, the broadcast rights for the New Jersey Devils and New York Islanders were held by the Rangers-owned MSG network.

So, the Leafs could conceivably make money -- and lots of it, year after year -- off another local team.

On the other side of the table, if Balsillie were to exercise his right to the HECFI buildings, he'd need to organize an arena management team or hire an already-existing specialist. If it made business sense, why not farm that part of it out, especially if it would lower MLSE's resistance and become a yearly cost of doing business instead of a major capital cost?

Although "material" ownership by one owner of another NHL team is prohibited by the league, such subcontracting cross-pollination is not. Nor is it unprecedented. The parent company of the Philadelphia Flyers had the operation contracts of the Islanders' and Penguins' rinks, among others.

Currently, Anschutz Entertainment Group, whose president is also governor of the Los Angeles Kings, has the contract to manage the Sprint Center in Kansas City, which is seeking either an established NHL team or an expansion franchise. AEG is also part of one of the seven groups which have submitted a bid to build a downtown arena in Las Vegas. Jerry Bruckheimer, who is throwing heavy money at the NHL for a Vegas franchise, is apparently close to AEG.

As MLSE has stated, it's all speculation and none of this means the Leafs would actually end up managing Copps Coliseum (including, presumably, a cut of concessions) should an NHL team land here.

But it does suggest that the idea isn't quite the stand-up comedy routine it once was.
 
I wonder if they'll change the name. I don't love the "Predators" name myself. Maybe the Hamilton Steelbacks (get some sponsorship too?

The Hamilton Litigators? Even better, the Hamilton Cheetahs? (We cheetah all the time!)

D'Angelo is now charged with sexual assault.

The above column just hits home that ML$E is merely a real estate firm that has learned to get sweetheart deals from municipalities (Toronto and Oshawa) and just happens to also own the tenants of said real estate. Leafs TV is yet another middle finger extended to the loyal sans-coulotte Leafs fans.
 
^^So true- MLSE is so much more interested in making returns on the property investments than they are in the teams they own, specifically the Leasfs.

Funny though, that when a Canadian team has to head south, due to money issues, not attendance, there are no qualms from Gary Bettman, nor does he have any reservations- business is business. Now, turn the tables around and..presto, its not going to happen..Bettman would rather put a team in Kansas City, MO and let it flounder as so many US teams already do, before he allows a team to move to Canada..

p5

*i am no longer a newbie*
 
The above column just hits home that ML$E is merely a real estate firm that has learned to get sweetheart deals from municipalities (Toronto and Oshawa) and just happens to also own the tenants of said real estate. Leafs TV is yet another middle finger extended to the loyal sans-coulotte Leafs fans.

You could say the same for any pro sports team that manages to get funding from the government.

I find all these conspiracy theories regarding the Leafs pretty ridiculous. If they didn't care about the team, why are they annually one of the top spending teams in the league?
 
^ exactly - while they've been out in the woods for 40 years, ever since Ballard died they've probably been the biggest spenders except for maybe the Rangers. Prior to the Salary Cap era they were consistently in the top 4 spending teams for the previous decade. In the post cap era the Leafs will with almost 100% certainty be at the cap max + due to revenue sharing MLSE is pumping more money into the program then any other team in the NHL.

The Leafs losing ways have nothing to do with ownership not tossing as much money as the could at the team on a consistent basis since the death of Ballard.
 
Link to article

Predators owner said to oppose sale to Balsillie



Jun 22, 2007 08:03 PM
Canadian press

COLUMBUS, Ohio–Craig Leipold no longer wants to see his Nashville Predators sold to Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie, a source has told The Canadian Press.

The Nashville owner has reportedly sent a letter to the NHL advising it to no longer considers Balsillie as a prospective owner of the team.

A league source told CP that Leipold cited the absence of a finalized sale agreement and Balsillie's desire to relocate the franchise to Hamilton as reasons for his decision.

A message was left with Balsillie's lawyer Richard Rodier.

Leipold and Balsillie, the co-CEO of BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, agreed to a term sheet for the transfer of ownership of the club, but that is nonbinding. Delays in closing the deal prevented the sale from being up for vote by the league's 30 teams when they met earlier this week.

Balsillie has already started a process to move the Predators to Hamilton should a potential out in the team's lease with the arena in Nashville be exercised after the sale's completion. Leipold announced May 24 he was selling to the team to Balsillie.

The agreement between Leipold and Balsillie carried a June 30 deadline for completion, but that date could have been extended.
 
Why do I have a feeling that Hamilton will not be seeing an NHL franchise?

Why can't the airheads in the NHL grasp the fact that there is an enduring desire to see a team in Hamilton, that such a team would be popular and that would do positive things for professional hockey?
 
I wonder what "prompted" Leipold to reconsider selling the team? What the fu#k is Buttman smoking?

The only winner is ML$E. The losers include southern Ontario hockey fans, the NHL as a whole and the overall fan base (you know, where Hockey is ahead of professional bowling and indoor football).
 
well looks like it ain't gonna happen..at least for this round.

I think they should put a second team right into Toronto.
 
I think Balsillie's pushy tactics didn't go over too well with an old boys club like the NHL's board of governors, that certainly didn't help his cause. But I do think that had Balsillie intended to move the team to Kansas City or Vegas the deal would likely have been made. Ultimately Buttman has no desire for a second team in the Toronto area and certainly not in a mid-sized Canadian city such as Winnipeg or QC. I wouldn't count Balsillie out just yet though as he's pretty determined to get a team. Southern Ontario is the biggest market in the world for hockey- it's only a matter of time.
 

Back
Top