nfitz
Superstar
I remember when we didn't have members here who take pride in seldom if ever using transit.
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
- Start date
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
The slower acceleration is not at all the case with an actual LRT (or even the existing streetcars). The streetcar network itself is slower at that only during the day and only because operators are more cautious and vigilant due to the increased risk of incursions by car drivers and pedestrians and so they don't use the full capabilities that the streetcars can do. But as someone who has frequented the night streetcar services and the ION LRT in Waterloo I can tell you for certain that the streetcars and light rail vehicles on Lines 5 and 6 can actually accelerate much quicker than a bus can. Same goes with the slower top speeds during the day they tend to not go at the posted speed limit but at night they actually go a bit over the posted limit. The streetcars only go slower over the special track work (the switches and turnouts) due to a long standing policy of the TTC that exists solely because of past incidents involving unreliable switches and the limitations of the Necessary Action (NA) controllers that control them. Line 5 and 6 don't have those issues as the switches are controlled by a standard interlocking control system and so operators are going to be able to travel line speed across all switches that are in the "normal" direction.
ARG1
Senior Member
Are these members in the room with us right now?
jmi22
Active Member
Never said the whole route had dedicated ROW, but the great irony is that the east west trackage was actually the slowest on my ride despite no vehicles to delay it. Took 12 minutes to travel the 1.25km from the ex to Bathurst street.
But I agree this is almost entirely a self imposed uselessness.
jmi22
Active Member
The operational capabilities of the vehicles on some idyllic trackage removed from all potential dangers is wholly irrelevant. Finch and Eglinton will not enjoy an off street right of way and will face increasingly high number of people/cars as the corridors get 100k new units dropped on them. The same things that make the 501 crawl down the Queensway right of way will poison the operational capabilities of the crosstown along Eg East.
I think transit planners (to an extent this shift seems to have happened with MX taking over RT expansion) need to come to terms with the institutional hostility and incapability towards running effective at grade rail rapid transit in Toronto.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
You're saying this to someone who goes to every single TTC open house, rides the subway for fun in addition to getting to work (dumb challenges, seeing how one fare works in reality) took the richmond hill line to film the detour and has a bike share membership despite owning 2 bikes...
Halton radial museum
Riding the subway for THIRTEEN hours, visiting every station to make a subway map with a transfer from every stop
Bike share
TTC open house....
Taking go during the floods and a 2 hour delay to film a detour
smallspy
Senior Member
Riding transit for fun is not the same as using it every day, or having to rely on it.
All of the time that you spend on transit every year equates to a mere fraction of those that use it every day.
Dan
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I used it for 20 years as my primary mode of moving around, and still go 4 days a week! But I understand what you were getting at.
BTW since I'm responding to you, I appreciate your knowledge of the systems and projects. Tons of random things I've wondered over the years have been answered by you!
nfitz
Superstar
I just don't know why we can't take some peoples opinions as read, and they only repeat them a couple of times a year, instead of daily.
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
I wasn't even talking about the operational capabilities of the vehicles on a completely grade-separated right-of-way. I was talking about their capabilities on the exact kind of system that was built. Should they not be operated in a manner that allows their full capabilities to be utilized, that is not the fault of the choice of technology for the line, it would be the fault of the company in charge of operations, in this case the TTC and the city, for not allowing it. There is no reason why they shouldn't be operated the way I described as they can and do in other cities around the world including those in Canada like Waterloo or Edmonton.
Whether 100k new housing units are built or 1 million are built is completely irrelevant to how the vehicles can be operated because the system itself was built to allow them to operate in the fashion I described. Quite simply, if you provide the necessary enforcement, education campaigns, and actually operate the system in the way it was intended there's no reason the operational capabilities would be poisoned. Because quite simply, if you did, the majority of the pedestrians who currently choose to cross in a manner that is dangerous would understand the dangers of doing so and instead choose to cross where it is safe and the car drivers who currently choose to turn illegally across the tracks would understand that they can't do that without the risk of getting hit by a train.
The blame for much of that can be placed on certain councillors who have been obstructing proper funding of surface transit projects and officials at the TTC who, despite having the ability to, continue not to correct the long standing issues with the streetcar system that prevent the dedicated right of way lines like on the Queensway, St. Clair and Spadina from operating the way they are capable of.
Chimpur
New Member
The platforms on Finch West are not long enough to accommodate coupled LRT's. However the LRT's certainly can be coupled. A front fascia has to be removed though.
Amare
Senior Member
I never claimed they cant be coupled, i simply said they will not be coupled on Finch West for operations.
drum118
Superstar
Do you know for a fact that this will not happen 100% down the road???
Aug 29
Took a drive from 27 to the 400 as I was planning on taking some videos and brought the wrong camera with no card by error.
Even though a lot of paving has taken place since my last visit, nothing has change my view on completion of the corridor.
As normal, no LRV out testing unless in the east as work was taking place on the ROW. A lot more paving of intersections, road and patch work still has to be done as well paving the cycle lane.
At this stage, my timeframe for opening of the line has been pushed back a few months to the point, it could be end of the year.
Amare
Senior Member
Nothings not possible with $$$ thrown in.
But it wont happen, they would increase frequencies long before train length is extended for operations on Finch.
fanoftoronto
Active Member
Agreed, the cost to extend all stops is not trivial. Especially if the center platform stops haven't been designed to allow for expansion without moving the tracks to allow for the extension.
Like @Amare mentioned, frequency will be maximized before any plans of coupling two vehicles comes up.