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Double Decker Buses in Ontario - Safety?

If Europe or the World have no issues with DD buses, why is NA having it???
My family lives in the UK, as have I on three occasions. There have been *many* incidents of DD buses getting sheared off by railway bridges. I suggest you Google.
Rochdale bus crash: roof ripped off as double-decker hits bridge | UK ...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk.../double-decker-bus-hits-railway-bridge-rochdale

Sep 9, 2015 - Rochdale bus crash: roof ripped off as double-decker hits bridge ... Milkstone Road, Rochdale, after a bus hit the railway bridge ... A spokesman for First said said: “The incident occurred off-route and at this point is part of our investigation. ... It was on the floor and I went over and helped injured people.”.

Bus roof ripped off under Bristol railway bridge - BBC News - BBC.com
https://www.bbc.com/.../uk-england.../bus-roof-ripped-off-under-bristol-railway-brid...

Nov 2, 2018 - The roof of a double decker bus was ripped off when it was driven under a low-level railway bridge in Bristol. British Transport Police said no-one was injured in the crash which took place ... 1 Lederhosen love among millennials · 2 'I had concerns for the First Lady' · 3 UFO spotted by US fighter jet pilots ...

Roof ripped off double-decker bus as 26 injured in Tottenham bridge ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News

Charlotte England @charlottengland; Saturday 22 October 2016 11:22. Click to follow. The Independent. The roof of the double-decker bus was ripped off entirely ( ) ... a collision involving abus and a railway bridge on St Loy's Road in Tottenham ... three people who were trapped on theupper deck of a double-decker bus.

Roof of double-decker bus ripped off after it crashes into low bridge in ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News

Dec 21, 2017 - The roof of a double-decker bus was torn completely off as it ... Birmingham, cleaving the roof from the upper deck and leaving it ... News > UK > Home News ... Witnesses describe 'incredible bang' as bus smashed into railway bridge ... National Express said it would investigate how the crash happened.

Live updates: Five injured after double decker bus hits rail bridge in ...
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk › News › Leicester News › Traffic and Travel

Nov 16, 2018 - Bus crash captured on dashcam. ... A double decker bus is struck a rail bridge in Leicester after a ... “I don't think anyone was upstairs in the bus luckily because if they .... Former Sky Blues on the move - one to league leaders PompeyThe former England youth star was wanted by Luton Town as well.
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- Google

And for some odd reason, the CTSB, at least according to the head member, has this to add:
The head of the Transportation Safety Board of Canada is slamming the federal government for failing to take significant action after the 2013 bus-train crash that might have reduced the risk of injury to passengers in Friday’s deadly crash.

“Friday’s bus accident in Ottawa, coming on the heels of the 2018 Humboldt bus tragedy, and the earlier 2013 Ottawa bus-train accident, not to mention other examples, reinforces the urgent need for Transport Canada to take action on implementing crashworthiness standards for commercial buses,” TSB chair Kathy Fox wrote in a strongly worded statement released Monday.

The TSB made just such a recommendation when it investigated the 2013 bus-train accident that killed six people in Ottawa. Because a Via Rail train was involved in that crash, the federally mandated TSB investigated. Among its recommendations was that Transport Canada implement crashworthiness standards for passenger buses.

Currently, this country’s safety standards for motor vehicles contain no requirements for frontal-impact, side-impact, rollover or crush protection for vehicles in excess of 26,000 pounds, which includes most transit buses.

“As a result, buses in this weight category can have different structural features that may not adequately protect the travelling public,” Fox wrote.

The TSB also recommended buses be equipped with an on-board event data recorder, similar to those on airplanes to expedite investigations and accurate data collection — something that has not been implemented.

Since the recommendations were issued in 2015, Transport Canada has undertaken some work. “However, significant progress has not yet occurred and the safety deficiencies remain outstanding.”

The board is calling on Transport Canada to expedite its work.

In an update published last year, the TSB reported that Transport Canada is searching for a bus shell for testing “but has not been successful.”

The statement from TSB pointing to Transport Canada’s failure to make buses safer comes amid calls — including from parents who lost children in the Humboldt Broncos junior hockey team bus crash — for the independent agency to investigate Friday’s crash.

The investigation, the group said in an open letter, is needed to make our overall transportation system safer.
[...]
Graham Larkin, Ottawa-based head of the road safety advocacy organization...
said it is unfair to expect Ottawa police to be able to conduct a full safety investigation that could focus on the systemic factors that potentially played into the crash. “Do police have the resources for a full investigation of this kind? The answer is no. We are talking about safe systems. The police are not experts in safe systems.”

In Sweden, which has the lowest rate of traffic fatalities in the world, the focus is on building preventative systems. “They say the onus is not on the individual or user but on the state to implement fail-safe systems.”

Canada, said Larkin, is not serious about building preventative infrastructure. He noted that there had been a previous deadly crash at the intersection where the Humboldt Broncos bus was slammed by a transport truck. A roundabout at that site would have prevented the subsequent tragedy.
[...]
Meanwhile, Fox of the Transportation Safety Board said it would continue to push for changes “so that bus passengers in Canada don’t have to worry about the safety of the vehicle they are taking to work, home or to a hockey arena.”
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/loca...lling-for-tsb-to-investigate-ottawa-bus-crash

The letter signed by many safety experts to Mayor Jim Watson follows at the link posted, and the irony of ironies when it comes to "Vision" is that this is one of the signatories:

Graham Larkin, Executive director of Vision Zero Canada

But then some love to ride in the most dangerous seat of a bus that doesn't meet vetted safety standards, and flirt with the dance of danger...

TSB says Transport Canada has much to do in terms of safety regulations on transit vehicles
Globalnews.ca
1 day ago
Urgent action needed to improve bus safety: Transportation Safety Board
The Globe and Mail
1 day ago

From the Globe linked above:
[...]
The more recent Ottawa and Humboldt crashes did not fall within the federal agency’s jurisdiction because they only involved road vehicles. The National Transportation Safety Board in the United States, meanwhile, does have the authority to conduct accident probes involving commercial vehicles such as trucks and buses.

Fox said the TSB has a particular interest in the Ottawa crash because of key findings from the 2013 OC Transpo collision investigation. It found large vehicles over 26,000 pounds in Canada are not required to meet the same standards as smaller passenger vehicles or school buses when it comes to front-impact, side-impact, rollover or crush protection.[...]
 
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I can't see anyway around it. It's brutal how they've provided a 'balcony seat' rail...which only further invites passengers up against the most dangerous place in the bus. Even a branch blown loose by the wind could cause immense damage, or something blowing off a truck in front. It's a gorgeous view, doubtless, but even a bar lattice with structural integrity over the window would offer much greater safety.

The point on whether the CTSB would be able to issue an independent report or not will probably become an issue in itself...

Although Drum does make a point, in that a preemptive removal of the seats might be problematic from a civil liability perspective.

I took a quick read of the legislation empowering the TSB and I'm not sure they could be brought in to a formal, independent role even if requested and the Feds agreed, but I could be wrong.
 
My family lives in the UK, as have I on three occasions. There have been *many* incidents of DD buses getting sheared off by railway bridges. I suggest you Google.

- Google

And for some odd reason, the CTSB, at least according to the head member, has this to add:

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/loca...lling-for-tsb-to-investigate-ottawa-bus-crash

The letter signed by many safety experts to Mayor Jim Watson follows at the link posted, and the irony of ironies when it comes to "Vision" is that this is one of the signatories:

Graham Larkin, Executive director of Vision Zero Canada

But then some love to ride in the most dangerous seat of a bus that doesn't meet vetted safety standards, and flirt with the dance of danger...

TSB says Transport Canada has much to do in terms of safety regulations on transit vehicles
Globalnews.ca
1 day ago
Urgent action needed to improve bus safety: Transportation Safety Board
The Globe and Mail
1 day ago
I stand by statement as the number of case where things have gone wrong out weight the number of trips taken yearly by a huge margin. Most, if not all cases boil down to driver error, not the equipment.

How many photos, videos or articles can be found showing vehicles where they have try to drive under X who height was less than the vehicle that the driver was driving in the first place??? To say something is wrong with the DD design at this stage is over kill. Then NA love law suite in the first place. I have seen first hand where drivers have exceed the clearance height and the damage they caused by doing so. 6 members in my family tree drive trucks as well a GO DD driver and they never had issues with low height X.
 
To say something is wrong with the DD design at this stage is over kill.
Not according to the CTSB who issued a report on exactly that with the last 2013 crash investigation.

Let me make this simple for those who are blind to see: Why should a bus not be required to meet "crash-worthiness" safety standards that a car must? Vehicles over 26,000 lbs are exempt in Canada. Try getting a 130 passengers in a car.

Over to you...
I took a quick read of the legislation empowering the TSB and I'm not sure they could be brought in to a formal, independent role even if requested and the Feds agreed, but I could be wrong.
Some interpretations are that they are *required to*:
“If this bus were a train, the (board) would immediately investigate. That’s not enough to make a difference to me,” said Shalaby, who is also the chair of research program on municipal infrastructure.

The board’s mandate is to advance transportation safety by conducting investigations that result in public reports and making recommendations to improve transit safety.

“As part of its ongoing investigations, the TSB also reviews developments in transportation safety and identifies safety risks that it believes government and the transportation industry should address to reduce injury and loss,” said the Government of Canada website.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-to-improve-bus-safety-transportation-safety/

In the event, the CTSB certainly can participate, and have agreed to do so, they just don't have the *lead role* in it, which gives them even more power than a police investigation:
Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act
S.C. 1989, c. 3

Assented to 1989-06-29
[...]
Powers of investigators

  • 19 (1) Where an investigator believes on reasonable grounds that there is, or may be, at or in any place, any thing relevant to the conduct of an investigation of a transportation occurrence, the investigator may, subject to subsection (2), enter and search that place for any such thing, and seize any such thing that is found in the course of that search.
  • Marginal note:Conditions for exercise of powers under subsection (1)
    (2) An investigator shall not exercise the powers referred to in subsection (1) in relation to a particular place without the consent of the person apparently in charge of that place unless
    • (a) those powers are so exercised in relation to that place under the authority of a warrant, or
    • (b) by reason of exigent circumstances, it would not be practical for the investigator to obtain a warrant.
  • Marginal note:Issue of warrant authorizing exercise of powers under subsection (1)
    (3) Where a justice of the peace is satisfied by information on oath that an investigator believes on reasonable grounds that there is, or may be, at or in any place, any thing relevant to the conduct of an investigation of a transportation occurrence, the justice may, on ex parte application, issue a warrant signed by the justice authorizing the investigator to enter and search that place for any such thing and to seize any such thing found in the course of that search.
  • Marginal note:Warrants may be obtained by telephone, etc.
    (4) The procedure set out in section 487.1 of the Criminal Code applies in relation to the obtaining of warrants under this section, subject to regulations made under paragraph 34(1)(h).
  • [...]

Unlike a police investigation, the CTSB release detailed reports to the public and are governed federally. The Ottawa Police are Provincial. "Crashworthiness" is a federal competence.

2015 TSB Recommendations & TC Responses
R13T0192 – CROSSING COLLISION BETWEEN VIA RAIL CANADA INC. PASSENGER TRAIN NO. 51 AND OC TRANSPO DOUBLE-DECKER BUS NO. 8017, MILE 3.30, SMITHS FALLS SUBDIVISION, OTTAWA, ONTARIO – 18 SEPTEMBER 2013.

TSB Full-Text Report (R13T0192):
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/rail/2013/r13t0192/r13t0192.asp
 
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And two passengers went flying out the front...OK, one immediately thinks "seatbelts could have stopped that". Perhaps...but attached to what? And would they have caused even more damage?
For what it's worth, seat belts can be integrated on most buses. A number of suppliers have intercity seats with integrated 3 point seat belts. Megabus' Van Hools already have them. The seats from Lazzerini used on GO Transit's Enviro500s are available with them. United States Seating has recently come out with an urban transit seat that has an integrated 3 point seat belt. Starting in 2020, seat belts will be mandatory on all new intercity motorcoaches. It should be noted too that many charter and intercity coach companies have been spec'ing seatbelts anyway since the beginning of this decade.
 
For what it's worth, seat belts can be integrated on most buses. A number of suppliers have intercity seats with integrated 3 point seat belts. Megabus' Van Hools already have them. The seats from Lazzerini used on GO Transit's Enviro500s are available with them. United States Seating has recently come out with an urban transit seat that has an integrated 3 point seat belt. Starting in 2020, seat belts will be mandatory on all new intercity motorcoaches. It should be noted too that many charter and intercity coach companies have been spec'ing seatbelts anyway since the beginning of this decade.
Indeed:
Transport Canada to make seatbelts mandatory on new ... - CBC

More is needed beyond seat belts, but that's at least a start.

Urgent action needed to improve bus safety, says Transportation Safety Board
By TERESA WRIGHTThe Canadian Press
Tues., Jan. 15, 2019

OTTAWA—The head of the Transportation Safety Board says Canada needs to move fast on better national “crashworthiness” standards for buses and other commercial passenger vehicles in light of two deadly bus collisions over the last year.
[...]
“We know that these buses don’t have to meet the same standards that our cars have to meet or that school buses have to meet, and we think that needs to change because in some types of collisions, they don’t necessarily have the kind of protection that passengers should be able to expect when they’re travelling on public transport,” Fox said.

“This is a Canadian issue, it’s not just an issue in Ottawa.” [...]

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...-bus-safety-standards-after-ottawa-crash.html
 
There isn't any standards for low floor buses either. You're "safer" because the low floor design necessitates putting passengers behind the front wheel, but this is safety by chance, not a conscious decision. Here in Ottawa low floor buses have also hit the transitway shelters and been ripped open, but not in rush hour when they are packed right up to the front so no fatalities. Focusing on DD's is missing the forest for the trees

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawa...-news/a-history-of-oc-transpo-bus-crashes/amp
 
There isn't any standards for low floor buses either.

Indeed, a fourteen year old boy was killed as one mounted the curb in Ottawa a few years back, much like the Union Station example posted by @ShonTron earlier, albeit somehow no-one was hurt in the Toronto example. The difference though is that the MCI's do meet a much tighter certification...or used to. I'm still digging on the subject. The US will hold more information since the US Transpo Safety Board has a wider competence that also covers buses and coaches.

If you think that this somehow renders DD just as safe or not as SDs though, you are mistaken. The risk increases geometrically due to a number of factors.

I purposely didn't post the graphic section from the 2013 Ottawa CTSB report with the chart of who got killed where. The front seats of the upper-floor, as they typically do, are the most likely to produce fatalities.

2015 TSB Recommendations & TC Responses
R13T0192 – CROSSING COLLISION BETWEEN VIA RAIL CANADA INC. PASSENGER TRAIN NO. 51 AND OC TRANSPO DOUBLE-DECKER BUS NO. 8017, MILE 3.30, SMITHS FALLS SUBDIVISION, OTTAWA, ONTARIO – 18 SEPTEMBER 2013.

TSB Full-Text Report (R13T0192):
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/rail/2013/r13t0192/r13t0192.asp

1.3 Injuries

Figure 5. Double-decker bus layout with location of occupants who sustained fatal and serious injuries


Readers might want to consider why no standing passengers are allowed in the Metrolinx DDs, but are in the MCIs. Risk isn't eliminated, obviously, but someone knows something to reduce the *relative* risk factor behind that. I can discern part of the added risk, and that's the proclivity for upper deck front row passengers going through the windscreen upon vehicular forward impact.

Which brings us back to seatbelts, and their being only as good as being anchored to something structurally sound, and not by holding passengers in place by doing so only to have them sheared by an impaling object.

The danger of a 'carboard box on wheels' in an accident increases geometrically when passengers are stacked vertically such that their exposure is not only increased vertically, but also places them immediately at the point of impaction.
The driver and the 4 passengers seated in the first row of the upper deck were ejected from the bus and sustained fatal injuries. An additional passenger on the lower deck was thrown to the front of the bus and later succumbed to fatal injuries.

Four passengers seated in rows 2 and 3 of the upper deck were also ejected from the bus. These 4 passengers and a 5th passenger in the 5th row of the upper deck as well as 4 passengers on the lower deck sustained serious injuries.

Some of the accidents in the UK were from the upper windshield itself *remaining intact* but hinging in such that it crushed the passengers sitting in the upper floor front seats. In fact that happened in two of the cases I linked a few posts back. There are very real concerns to be had if one only reads the details. But alas....
 
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There isn't any standards for low floor buses either. You're "safer" because the low floor design necessitates putting passengers behind the front wheel, but this is safety by chance, not a conscious decision. Here in Ottawa low floor buses have also hit the transitway shelters and been ripped open, but not in rush hour when they are packed right up to the front so no fatalities. Focusing on DD's is missing the forest for the trees

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawa...-news/a-history-of-oc-transpo-bus-crashes/amp

A useful summary that reinforces the concept of looking at the whole system, and all the risks.

The knee jerk reaction is: "Harden the bus and the problem is solved". The fuller reaction is : "Don't let it come in contact with anything while it's moving".

Any bus that is packed to the rafters with standees is a high-risk situation. Even a panic stop, without contacting anything, is high risk.

A lot of things are needed to mitigate that risk. It all has to fit together. A key tenet of safety system analysis is, for any serious incident to have happened, multiple things must have gone wrong at the same time.

- Paul
 
Regardez la différence!
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https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmc...coachSafetyActionPlan_final2009report-508.pdf

Where's Canada's DOT one?

From the CTSB 2013 crash report: (Bold lettering added by me)
[...]
  • The framing of the upper deck and lower deck floor was torn off as a result of the excessive force pulling in the direction of train movement. The tearing away of the bus structure ultimately resulted in the driver, the driver station and seat as well as 8 passengers and 4 passenger seats on the upper deck being ejected from the bus.
  • The front structure of the bus exhibited modest amounts of longitudinal compression and gross plastic deformation. This indicates that the breakup of the bus front structure did not require considerable impact energy. The front structure was not designed to provide impact protection, nor is frontal impact protection required by federal regulations.
  • A more robust front structure and crash energy management design might have reduced the damage to the bus and prevented the loss of a protective shell for the occupants. However, the CMVSS contain no requirements for frontal impact, side impact, rollover or crush protection for vehicles with a GVWR in excess of 11 818 kg (26 000 pounds), which include most transit buses. Buses in this weight category can have a variety of different structural features.
  • [...]
 
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Regarding the latest incident, all the injuries and fatalities were bus passengers. Nobody on the platform was hit. that is the latest information. The question at hand is the crash worthiness of DD buses, particularly the second floor. In this case, further issues relate to possible ice on the road and the angle of the sun. The crash took place at 3:50 pm and was westbound. The sun may have been in the driver's eyes. Furthermore, this was an express bus that was not stopping at this station. Whether other buses ahead of it were stopping and this one wasn't may have been a factor. Of course, we will have to wait for the results of the investigation to get better insight into the causes of the crash.

Most of Ottawa's transitway stations were built before DD buses were purchased, so the design of stations did not take into consideration that type of bus. The southeast transitway stations that I use the most often, are of similar design. I will need to look at the overhangs the next time I take the bus, but I know they do exist.
 
Furthermore, this was an express bus that was not stopping at this station. Whether other buses ahead of it were stopping and this one wasn't may have been a factor. Of course, we will have to wait for the results of the investigation to get better insight into the causes of the crash.
This is an interesting point that would also pertain to Mississauga Transitway and other busways. I've been thinking of the pros and cons of a 'bypass lane' that 'fences' faster moving through buses from the stopping/stopped ones. Whether this would/could be a higher than normal concrete curb or rail could be examined. It may cause more angst than solve, I don't know. There are reports of the 'option' of that being a request stop if a passenger had requested, but there again, if that was the case, entering the 'stopping lane' would then be the option. Your opinion on that appreciated. I've only ridden the Miss Transitway in Canada.

What is evident is the lack of contingency in planning for the inevitability of a bus losing directional stability. 'Troughs' are used in 'bus guideways' in some nations, but of course, they don't typically have the ice and snow conditions Ottawa does. Guideways would mandate a much slower speed going through stations, and this appears to be a crux of present investigations. Troughs themselves can induce instability.

Clearly, the Alexander Dennis (if not most) DDs are prone to wind instability and frailty of construction. As to why this wasn't all considered before introducing yet one more 'stress load' onto the busway is now being examined by Ottawa Police.
A veteran OC Transpo driver says the company specifically warns double-decker operators to beware of Transitway overhangs.

Drivers take special training to operate the double-deckers like the one that crashed into Westboro Station during Friday’s afternoon commute, killing three people and injuring another 23. It is among the worst accidents in the history of the city’s transit system.

“The first thing they taught us was stay the hell away from the structures at the stations because you’re not going to clear them,” said the operator, speaking on condition that he not be named, for fear of losing his job. “We’re actually taught to board passengers further out from the curb than we normally would.”

The driver pointed out that the overhangs, which appear to be made from tubular steel, have even caused problems for single-level buses because they protrude so close to the road.

In 2003, a regular Route 86 bus, slammed into the overhang at Lees Station and tore open the roof. Six passengers were treated for injuries and bystanders said it was a miracle no one was killed when the steel frame gouged the bus.


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In 2003, a single-level OC Transpo bus crashed into a shelter at Lees station on the Transitway. No one was seriously injured in that crash.Though Friday’s crash is still under investigation, it was evident from photos that the westbound bus, Route 269, struck the overhanging canopy just above the floor on the second deck, making upper-level passengers especially vulnerable. [...]
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/c...ker-drivers-about-overhang-hazard-driver-says

Take note though, that as awful an event as the pic shows, the 'awning' did give way somewhat due to the strength/rigidity of the bus roof in this instance, although the bus roof was also damaged. Speed may have been more favourable to the bus holding form instead of crumpling, but if the DDs had that same strength mid-height as this bus *ostensibly* the 'slicing action' would have been stymied. All conjecture, doubtless, but the CTSB report has made definitive statements on how insufficient the DD structural integrity is from studying in detail what happened in the 2013 incident.

One has to wonder: Was that awning repaired to the way it was? And if so...why? Someone didn't learn how close they came to a disaster at that time. There's ways of engineering both vehicles and stationary objects with which they may collide to have 'controlled break-away' or 'controlled crumple'.

Someone's been asleep at the wheel on this...
 
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I do recall the Route 86 crash at Lees Station. Lees Station has multiple bus stops and even if Route 86 was stopping there (it was not express), it would not preclude it from losing control as it entered the station especially if its designated stop was not at the first designated location. To me, the only way to prevent this sort of thing from happening is to install something to prevent buses from mounting the platform. The situation with DDs is more dangerous because of the level of the awning relative the seating area on the bus.

All Ottawa Transitway stations have bypass lanes to allow buses to pass each other as necessary at stations. They are not segregated in any way. Naturally, the main purpose of this is to speed up service. Unlike rail, buses do not stop at all Transitway stations if nobody needs to embark or disembark the bus. This is regardless of whether bus is designated express or not. Some of the Transitway stations especially in lower density residential areas have low usage.
 
To me, the only way to prevent this sort of thing from happening is to install something to prevent buses from mounting the platform. The situation with DDs is more dangerous because of the level of the awning relative the seating area on the bus.
Excellent info. I'm struck by how generic yours and other info is in seeming to indicate applying to a number of busways.

Wikipedia shows for 'Canada bus rapid transit':
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Far more than I would have imagined. It's well past time for the Feds to step up to the plate on this as per vehicular standards. Curiously, this is one of the pics displayed:
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From a quick scan of other systems, none has a canopy sticking out like this. A very real cause for concern, one alluded to by drivers talking of the "warnings" to not pull-up close to them.
 
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That picture actually happens to be of the station in question here, Westboro.

The red mushroom cap design is no longer used in Ottawa, but you can see how this design plus Double Decker at speed is a bad combo

When talking about risk it's obvious that if a high speed collision occurs that the front upper deck of a double decker is the worst place to be with a high likelihood of death or serious injury. However in terms of absolute risk I'm orders of magnitude more likely to die walking to the bus stop then on the bus itself.

Consider rail for a moment. A big topic is reducing the battleship like requirements of FRA compliance in order to allow plentiful and more eco friendly train models in Europe. This is a risk trade-off. You always have to consider that before we go down the road if armour plating buses and shoving the passengers in 5 point harnesses
 
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