Cobra
Senior Member
The Infrastructure bank will make easier for cities to continuously expand their network.
The Infrastructure bank will make easier for cities to continuously expand their network.
This rendering shows what the Toronto council-approved and provincially-funded, seven-stop Scarborough LRT would have looked like in its own right-of-way:
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...hat-we-know-about-transit-in-scarborough.html
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That looks like Skytrain so no, it wouldn't look like that. LRT on the RT route was always idiotic to me to begin with
That looks like Skytrain so no, it wouldn't look like that. LRT on the RT route was always idiotic to me to begin with
Yep. The original plan was to upgrade, refurbish and extend the RT, for a fraction of the cost of the LRT or Subway plan.
The Star is a left leaning paper, and its hilarious they use this picture without realising the implications.
Other than one opinion piece by Royson James at the Star, they champion David Miller's LRT, because they are a liberal leaning paper.
However, the LRT was and is just as misguided and pointless as the subway extension, and opened up the whole debate for subways in the first place.
There was a plan for the RT to be refurbished, extended and upgraded to new trains, and David Miller superseded it for LRT instead, to fit in line with his Transit City legacy.
What this did is raise the cost, and the time it would take to convert the RT to LRT from the refurbishment, which would have meant buses for 8! months while the RT was repaired, and the new trains tested. Instead it was to be shutdown for 36 months for LRT conversion, at $1.4 billion.
This opened up the argument that "hey a subway is only $500 million more (obviously a lowball figure) and it means we won't have to bus people for 36 months"
If we had stuck to the RT conversion plan in place, Scarbrough would already have a nice, rapid transit system out to Centennial College and Sheppard Ave with new, quiet, clean articulated trains right now as we speak.
The LRT is a better solution than the subway, yes, but almost all the transit experts who are not involved in the politics agree this was the best solution.
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...lect-of-scarborough-rt-is-shameful-james.html
Yep. The original plan was to upgrade, refurbish and extend the RT, for a fraction of the cost of the LRT or Subway plan.
The Star is a left leaning paper, and its hilarious they use this picture without realising the implications.
Other than one opinion piece by Royson James at the Star, they champion David Miller's LRT, because they are a liberal leaning paper.
However, the LRT was and is just as misguided and pointless as the subway extension, and opened up the whole debate for subways in the first place.
There was a plan for the RT to be refurbished, extended and upgraded to new trains, and David Miller superseded it for LRT instead, to fit in line with his Transit City legacy.
What this did is raise the cost, and the time it would take to convert the RT to LRT from the refurbishment, which would have meant buses for 8! months while the RT was repaired, and the new trains tested. Instead it was to be shutdown for 36 months for LRT conversion, at $1.4 billion.
This opened up the argument that "hey a subway is only $500 million more (obviously a lowball figure) and it means we won't have to bus people for 36 months"
If we had stuck to the RT conversion plan in place, Scarbrough would already have a nice, rapid transit system out to Centennial College and Sheppard Ave with new, quiet, clean articulated trains right now as we speak.
The LRT is a better solution than the subway, yes, but almost all the transit experts who are not involved in the politics agree this was the best solution.
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...lect-of-scarborough-rt-is-shameful-james.html
Even one better, why wasn't this thrown in for the RT upgrade plan?
More to the point:
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Don't get me wrong, today's situation is BS but man did the pro-LRT people did just as much damage by flat out refusing to let go of LRT for the SRT corridor. If the current STC urban plan was still envisioned, there's noting preventing the SRT to go underground at Scarborough Centre and go back up above ground past the new STC downtown district.
- SRT plateform with MkIII trains at Subway level, make it a cross plateform transfer like intended for Don Mills
- Move Eglinton Crosstown to concourse level
The transfer at Don Mills was not a cross platform, is was to be at the east end of the subway platform, the two LRT tracks were to sit just inside of the subway tracks, with a platform in the middle, which would be the subway platform continued east
Lol, you really buy that?as well the tunnels were to be reusable for a future subway extension.
This should have been proposed for the SRT-Line 2 at Kennedy, that's what I'm saying
Lol, you really buy that?