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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

syn said:

With the Scarborough RT closing, residents say they’re tired of being ignored. It’s time they had a voice in the future of their transit​

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One change Myers would like to see going forward is a requirement that the people on the TTC board actually take public transit. With too many drivers in the mix, the priorities can be clouded by trying not to inconvenience drivers, as opposed to serving transit riders, Myers said.
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Unfortunately, there are the decision-makers at city hall and Queens Park who make the decisions about public transit who don't even use public transit. They are the ones who cut the budget for capital projects and operations because cutting does not hurt them.
 
syn said:
That's the entire problem.

This is a government created agency that's supposed to serve the public. That means making wise use of available funds and actually informing the public of what's going on.

Instead it simply tries to justify doing whatever the government wants.

It's even worse than the local media sources some people despise.
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I mean I think people forget what Phil Verster said a few years back which is that Metrolinx advises the gov but the choice is ultimately up to them. Look at the numbers for reports released by Metrolinx for some projects (that are being built) where Metrolinx suggests there is a poor business case . . . this is where MLinx is saying "This is a bad idea", and gov is saying "We want to build it anyway"
 
syn said:

With the Scarborough RT closing, residents say they’re tired of being ignored. It’s time they had a voice in the future of their transit​

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1) Could just fix the SRT
2) Its funny that this gets said, there is clearly tons of support for the subway and via various politicians (most elected in Scarborough) people DO get their voices heard, those voices just do not say the things which the author would like them too (most likely that LRT is a fix all solution for Scarborough)
 
superelevation said:
1) Could just fix the SRT
2) Its funny that this gets said, there is clearly tons of support for the subway and via various politicians (most elected in Scarborough) people DO get their voices heard, those voices just do not say the things which the author would like them too (most likely that LRT is a fix all solution for Scarborough)
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There was a 'ton' of support for the LRT as well.

The article is addressing the failure to actually build useful transit for Scarborough based on what people need. The SSE isn't going to do much to address those current issues.

Ford's drastic reduction of City Council makes it far more difficult for people's voices to be heard via local representation.
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I mean I think people forget what Phil Verster said a few years back which is that Metrolinx advises the gov but the choice is ultimately up to them. Look at the numbers for reports released by Metrolinx for some projects (that are being built) where Metrolinx suggests there is a poor business case . . . this is where MLinx is saying "This is a bad idea", and gov is saying "We want to build it anyway"
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Yet "Metrolinx News" consistently justifies those decisions, based on their own reasoning (if you could call it that).

That's why criticism of their "news" is very reasonable.
 
There are multiple groups of riders in Scarborough. Each group has its own needs, and it's hardly possible to serve all of them with a single line, or even a single technology.

SSE will address a large coherent group of riders: those travelling towards downtown or towards other points near Danforth / Bloor.

In order to help the groups who travel locally within Scarborough: well, the recipe is known: EE LRT plus bus lanes on other major corridors. Only a matter of getting the funds.
 
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syn said:
Yet "Metrolinx News" consistently justifies those decisions, based on their own reasoning (if you could call it that).

That's why criticism of their "news" is very reasonable.
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Metrolinx News is not news. It's simply a political outlet to announce their positive achievements. It's totally bias and covers up all negative things.
 
I would not call getting a multi-billion subway being ignored. It's a shame that because of stupid political fights this project is not going to be delivered in time for the retirement of SRT.

I would say the only reason SRT is being replaced rather than refurbished (and maybe basis of broader light metro network in Scarborough) is because the community very strongly spoke against the transfer.
 
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afransen said:
I would not call getting a multi-billion subway being ignored. It's a shame that because of stupid political fights this project is not going to be delivered in time for the retirement of SRT.

I would say the only reason SRT is being replaced rather than refurbished (and maybe basis of broader light metro network in Scarborough) is because the community very strongly spoke against the transfer.
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It doesn't matter how many billions are being spent if the core issues aren't being addressed.

The LRT plan was well on it's way to being built, with considerable support from the community - even with a transfer.
 
syn said:

With the Scarborough RT closing, residents say they’re tired of being ignored. It’s time they had a voice in the future of their transit​

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They have not been ignored. They got the subway they asked for. Yet they will continue to feel ignored, as the subway does nothing to address the root of the transportation issue in Scarborough.

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”​
- Henry Ford, allegedly​

This subway is the proverbial faster horse.
 
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superelevation said:
2) Its funny that this gets said, there is clearly tons of support for the subway and via various politicians (most elected in Scarborough) people DO get their voices heard, those voices just do not say the things which the author would like them too (most likely that LRT is a fix all solution for Scarborough)
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There are no fix-all solutions for transit in Scarborough. Going all in on the LRT or all in on the subway in order to fix Scarborough's transit crisis will lead to equally bad outcomes. This one line/extension cannot do everything for everyone.

The LRT would've been much better at addressing local transport needs with Scarbrough, but it does nothing to address regional travel (including towards Downtown). That requires an additional solution (on top of the LRT plan).

The subway is marginally better at addressing regional transport, but its still a very poor solution. Of course people will advocate for it, because subways are all we know in Toronto.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Which is not because of transit. And he didn't get elected because of transit either, to be fair.
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The eastern loop was a major selling point to his campaign, and it was also a strong point to Rob Ford's campaign as well. Its also important to note that Scarborough consistently votes pro subway politicians. Once is an outlier, twice is a coincidence. After that its a pattern.
TheTigerMaster said:
There are no fix-all solutions for transit in Scarborough. Going all in on the LRT or all in on the subway in order to fix Scarborough's transit crisis will lead to equally bad outcomes. This one line/extension cannot do everything for everyone.
The LRT would've been much better at addressing local transport needs with Scarbrough, but it does nothing to address regional travel (including towards Downtown). That requires an additional solution (on top of the LRT plan).

The subway is marginally better at addressing regional transport, but its still a very poor solution. Of course people will advocate for it, because subways are all we know in Toronto.
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And nobody is making that argument. Eglinton East is still being planned, we have the Scarborough-Durham BRT being procured by Metrolinx, and the Sheppard Subway is still in the plans. A lot is being built that will help feed into the subway, and its not just a subway with nothing else.
 
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