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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

APTA-2048 said:
Where would have this occurred on the SRT to LRT conversion route?
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That was never the issue with this line. Connectivity of the Centre and stop locations were

It was a big issue on the other two lines and the addition of a new transfer point on Sheppard was another counterproductive flaw to improving transit. It was a very poor design aside from the benefit of adding a better looking local network.

The current plan of Smarttrack(RER), subway and the EELRT (improved SMLRT) feeds multiple needs. As much as the subway could have been improved in a more cost effective manner it will be built in a much more central location with the stops. Much better plan to move forward than Transit City.
 
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sixrings said:
LRTS are streetcars (keep those and hipster bikelanes downtown please) and unless RER is as frequent and the same low cost as a TTC token then it is useless to us blue collar workers from Scarborough.
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That's what John Tory promised SmartTrack would be - subway like frequencies with TTC fares. First the Progressive Conservative government backed away from the $3 fares that GO had already announced, and now they've indefinitely deferred all the new GO and Smartrack stations.

With their proposed take-over of the TTC subway, and talking about looking for private funding for the new Line 2 extension subway stations, I also don't see how they won't significantly delay both the Scarborough subway extension and the Downtown Relief Line from being completed in the 2020s.

APTA-2048 said:
Where would have this occurred on the SRT to LRT conversion route?
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It wouldn't have of course.

Those trying to claim otherwise seem to be as confused as Doug Ford who claimed in council that the current SRT extension would be creating gridlock with cars having to stop for trains. Perhaps posters here should read up on the projects before making such claims!
 
nfitz said:
That's what John Tory promised SmartTrack would be - subway like frequencies with TTC fares. First the Progressive Conservative government backed away from the $3 fares that GO had already announced, and now they've indefinitely deferred all the new GO and Smartrack stations.

With their proposed take-over of the TTC subway, and talking about looking for private funding for the new Line 2 extension subway stations, I also don't see how they won't significantly delay both the Scarborough subway extension and the Downtown Relief Line from being completed in the 2020s.
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We can vote in a new government in the future for operational concerns or to resurrect the nice Liberal election promises. In the meantime we need to get funding effective capital infrastructure people can actually support. So ya I agree well likely bite the bullet here on fare integration

I don't see anything that will significantly delay the current subway projects.
 
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OneCity said:
We can vote in a new government in the future for operational concerns. In the meantime we need to get funding effective capital infrastructure. So ya well likely bite the bullet here on fare integration
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The operational considerations are the biggest issue though. Doug Ford's indefinite suspension of GO station construction is only delaying capital infrustructure.

And the impending delays to the Line 2 extension are quite obvious. We already saw what came of Ford's schemes to fund the Sheppard subway extension in a similar manner, with the reports making it very clear that there was no where near enough funding. Once again Ford and the right-wing are taking a fully-funded project, and trying to delay it. The end result could well be nothing. Though in the case of a $3.5 billion one-station extension, perhaps that's a good thing.

I'm not sure why the PCs and Ford hate Scarborough so - while letting the Finch West LRT start construction continue into Etobicoke.
 
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nfitz said:
The operational considerations are the biggest issue though. Doug Ford's indefinite suspension of GO station construction is only delaying capital infrustructure.

And the impending delays to the Line 2 extension are quite obvious. We already saw what came of Ford's schemes to fund the Sheppard subway extension in a similar manner, with the reports making it very clear that there was no where near enough funding. Once again Ford and the right-wing are taking a fully-funded project, and trying to delay it. The end result could well be nothing. Though in the case of a $3.5 billion one-station extension, perhaps that's a good thing.

I'm not sure why the PCs and Ford hate Scarborough so - while letting the Finch West LRT start construction continue into Etobicoke.
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We disagree. Lets see what moves forward after the budget
 
OneCity said:
That was never the issue with this line. Connectivity of the Centre and stop locations were
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Then why bring it up. It looks just like the fearmongering and misinformation (or "propaganda" as you call it) that you claim to be against.
OneCity said:
It was a big issue on the other two lines and the addition of a new transfer point on Sheppard was another counterproductive flaw to improving transit. It was a very poor design aside from adding a better looking local network
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Was it really that bad? Parts of Eglinton and Sheppard can afford to go to two lanes in each direction. These are wide avenues. Not to mention having commuted on the 85A bus traffic becomes pretty light after McCowan. Grade separation would definitely be overkill. I do think, however, conversion of the Sheppard subway to LRT needed more serious consideration. Almost everyone should agree that that transfer, despite its ease, was not natural.
 
APTA-2048 said:
I do think, however, conversion of the Sheppard subway to LRT needed more serious consideration. Almost everyone should agree that that transfer, despite its ease, was not natural.
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Not natural, but with the proposed simply walk across the platform from one train to the other, not horrific.

You'd think though, that they could request proposals for a vehicle that could service both the existing subway stations, and an at-grade extension to Meadowvale, and find a way to make it a continuous line.
 
nfitz said:
Not natural, but with the proposed simply walk across the platform from one train to the other, not horrific.

You'd think though, that they could request proposals for a vehicle that could service both the existing subway stations, and an at-grade extension to Meadowvale, and find a way to make it a continuous line.
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The other great benefit of LRT is that it can run on street - and where expensive tunneling is needed, several lines could come together.
None of this was planned for Transit City. As such, it's just an inconvenient or needless transfer.
 
nfitz said:
Not natural, but with the proposed simply walk across the platform from one train to the other, not horrific.

You'd think though, that they could request proposals for a vehicle that could service both the existing subway stations, and an at-grade extension to Meadowvale, and find a way to make it a continuous line.
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No not horrific, but definitely viewed as more annoying. I don't seem to recall much of a study of the LRT conversion option, much less investigating a vehicle that could be custom designed for the line.
 
12 years we've been debating this, and we don't even have a construction start date in sight. Some of us will be too old to properly use this thing whenever the heck its done.
 
Onecity believes once this scarborough extension happens then it will continue to loop to fix the sheppard mess. Of course this needs to happen if anyone wants to stay in government or get into government. Somehow scarborough is capable of holding the city, province and country ransom. That's how important scarborough is. One day you'll regret not having bought property there.
 
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