Whoaccio
Senior Member
Paul Moist is pretty much an idiot.
The York example was due to economies of scale and not underlying efficiency. Larger jurisdiction, such as Etobicoke, have shown undeniable savings and productivity improvements. As for Cities rejecting privatization, that proves nothing. Toronto would probably reject such a change on purely idealogical grounds. I'm sure Windsorites are real happy about CUPE too.
What hypocrisy! A union representing a group that extracts above average wages by threat of force from a poorer public has the gall to say it is standing up for the "working people"? Are those the "working people" who are denied day care services or garbage collection, are victims obscene rental tax rates and have their businesses leached by prohibitave commercial taxes, or the ones who earn twice the median wage living off their backs in sine cure government positions? What the hell is wrong with society that this kind of blatant abuse of power and logic can be tolerated?
Right off the bat, nobody is promoting privatization in order to "punish" anybody. Everyone has quite clearly stated why they think privatization would benefit the public (which is, after all, the focus here) and while you can disagree with their logic it is absurd to paint CUPE members as the victims of some kind of pogrom. More to the point, I'm not sure Moist even knows what a "monopoly" is. There was an article in the Star a week or so ago dismissing the very idea that monopolies existed within City services. Anyone can recognize what is self evidently a monopoly, both in the City as the sole supplier of various services (monopoly) and in CUPE's as the sole supplier of labor to the city (monopoly). Why Moist keeps trying to question this reasoning is beyond me.In these pages and in other media, the issue of contracting out city services — most recently garbage collection — has been bandied about as a way to punish unionized public sector workers for everything from striking to costing too much to "monopolizing" the public sector. Some columnists, such as Lawrence Solomon, even contend that public sector workers weigh too much — or so he alleged in a National Post column last week when he claimed that private sector workers "tend to be fitter" than public sector workers.
This is faulty reasoning. Advances in technology and policy have made many previously tenuous practices feasible now. It also blurs the line between what most people mean by "privatization" and what CUPE keeps portraying it as. It is not a dickensian private sector monopoly. Nobody is promoting that, anywhere. Most suggestions revolve around the contracting out of services to third parties, as has been shown to lower costs within Toronto itself as well as numerous other cities in Europe and Asia.What Solomon and other critics tend to forget is that Canadians have already tried a system wherein municipal services were delivered by private entities. It didn't work then, and it wouldn't work any better now.Solid waste collection and disposal, water, hydro and transportation were in private hands until the turn of the last century, when municipal governments assumed control of these services after years of poor quality, low accountability, a lack of universal access and an absence of regulation to protect the health and safety of citizens.
Well, maybe if someone was proposing replacing toilets with buckets and eliminating all garbage services that would be relevant, but nobody is. People can go to Etobicoke or London, both of which have contracted portions of waste managent, and see quite clearly that this border's on hyperbole. Especially as my kitchen is overrun with fruit flies thanks to CUPE's bloody strike.Canadians built our modern public sector in order to collectively invest in services for all residents. In the case of garbage collection, it became a mandated civic responsibility due to public health ordinances and the desire to rid growing urban centres of disease that flows from unattended solid waste.
God I love when people just make empty statements without any evidence to back it up. "Gravity has been shown to be a figment of our imagination. Working people deserve a fair shake from its' usurious grips, as has been shown to have work in Bhutan"One hundred years and numerous privatization experiments later, Canadian communities are still finding that contracting out public services doesn't work. In some Canadian communities, the privatization of waste management is being reversed because it has been shown to cost more and deliver less in terms of quality.
Wow, I didn't know the City has developed a way to avoid wear and tear on equipment. Who thinks this stuff up? As to the labor issues, private contractors tend to use younger crews because they are, as Paul Moist for some reason ignored earlier in the article, fitter and more able to perform physical labor and thus less likely to sustain injury. Anybody who thinks about it can see why using 40+ year olds to do a job which requires heavy lifting is absurd.While some contracted out services may seem to cost less initially, their costs can rise much faster than publicly delivered services. For example, private operators often use younger crews who haven't yet suffered injuries, but when the injuries build up, so do their costs. The same goes with equipment — a private company's may be more efficient at first, but all equipment wears and requires replacing over time.
After a cost-benefit analysis, the City of Toronto recently chose to end a private contract in the York community, saving taxpayers $4 million annually by bringing waste collection work back in-house. Four months ago, the City of Windsor rejected the garbage privatization option, as did the City of Peterborough earlier this year. In Port Moody, B.C., residents spent ten years reporting repeated missed pickups, spillage, broken garbage bins and other problems caused by low-quality, contracted-out waste collection. Last spring, Port Moody residents took matters into their own hands and successfully petitioned to bring waste collection in-house and dump their private contractor. These situations are not isolated. Across Canada, the list of communities dissatisfied with privatized services continues to grow.
The York example was due to economies of scale and not underlying efficiency. Larger jurisdiction, such as Etobicoke, have shown undeniable savings and productivity improvements. As for Cities rejecting privatization, that proves nothing. Toronto would probably reject such a change on purely idealogical grounds. I'm sure Windsorites are real happy about CUPE too.
Fatal to CUPE, that is.The private sector will always contribute to parts of public infrastructure work, and benefit from public sector procurement. But it is a fatal leap of logic to decide that Toronto or any other city should be pursuing a contracting-out agenda.
That may be the case, but I don't think anyone would expect beneficiaries of a given policy would ever support ending it. That doesn't somehow make it right. White slave owners weren't the first to jump on the abolitionist bandwagon. These constituencies which exert political influence to redirect otherwise unearned resources from larger societies are parasites and parasites never voluntarily leave the host.If proponents of privatization are really asking for "non-unionization," they are drastically underestimating the tenacity of the Canadian labour movement. About one-third of our Canadian workforce remains unionized, and for good reason — unions enable millions of citizens to enjoy some measure of dignity in retirement and quality social benefits. These benefits extend beyond actual union memberships, since the level of unionization in a society is a direct reflection of the average person's quality of life. Whether it's a livable minimum wage or a 40-hour work week, unions raise the bar in terms of wages and working conditions for everyone.
Working people built Canada. They deserve a better shake than they have received in recent weeks.
What hypocrisy! A union representing a group that extracts above average wages by threat of force from a poorer public has the gall to say it is standing up for the "working people"? Are those the "working people" who are denied day care services or garbage collection, are victims obscene rental tax rates and have their businesses leached by prohibitave commercial taxes, or the ones who earn twice the median wage living off their backs in sine cure government positions? What the hell is wrong with society that this kind of blatant abuse of power and logic can be tolerated?
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