generalcanada
Senior Member
I saw that but remember Alto/HFR is running on a 4+ billion development budget. thats really tiny comparatively
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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)
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lenaitch
Senior Member
Once again the point is missed. The comment was they couldn't image doing a drive of that distance frequently, and my response was people do it from Barrie daily.
Your idea of 'backwoods roads' and mine are clearly different, and not thinking Hwy 400 doesn't get 'funky winter weather' tells me you haven't done it.
Mihairokov
Senior Member
I guess our ideas of driving on the 400 versus the 138 are very different and I think this conversation should probably end here.
Thaboss
Active Member
Its peanuts, dwarfed by the fact that alto is very likely to recieve tailor-made leg. To speed up development and construction, which will probably save a couple billions in costs alone
nfitz
Superstar
The development is on the capital side of the budget. The cuts are on the operational side of the budget.
I really don't know what that's all about.
Thaboss
Active Member
Less money for staff, same money for development costs
crs1026
Superstar
I'm hoping the reduction can be absorbed by spending less on maintenance through retirement of the LRC and HEPII fleets, with service maintained at a level that leverages the Venture fleet fully. And modest growth in ridership and revenue.
But beware White River, and Prince Rupert.
I would say, however, that anyone proposing buying more Ventures is probably dreaming. Too small potatoes to hope for production in Canada, and further orders from California are just not sellable to the public any more.
And don't get any hopes for Gaspe.
- Paul
But beware White River, and Prince Rupert.
I would say, however, that anyone proposing buying more Ventures is probably dreaming. Too small potatoes to hope for production in Canada, and further orders from California are just not sellable to the public any more.
And don't get any hopes for Gaspe.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
That's a lot of money for staff. I wonder if they've used an accounting trick to slide over some of the costs out of the operational budget. And this is nothing.
I'm not sure why they included the VIA and Alto changes, but left out any description, which was provided for the other sections in the table.
ProjectEnd
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How much longer can they possibly keep RDCs going at this point? On Prince Rupert, it is more traditional equipment, but it's still HEPs and Budd Cars from the wider Canadian fleet. I'm nervous for the longevity of those services as well.
Also, I know I'm boring everyone at this point but for posterity: Alto (or some sort of Canadian HSR) is not happening.
smallspy
Senior Member
If you listen to the railfan press, the RDCs have been just around the corner from replacement for the past 30 years. And in that time, they've had a two major rebuilds.
I'm nervous, but I'm cautiously optimistic. A lot of us also feared that the Government wouldn't cough up the money for the Corridor fleet, and yet here we are. While things are worrying, they are also promising.
Dan
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Thanks as always, Dan! On the latter, what's your feeling on the Canadian long distance fleet replacement program? Any faith they'll follow through there? Would those same cars also get put on Ocean services as the Renaissance are also nearing end-of-life?
micheal_can
Senior Member
My point was more about whether it even belongs in the ALTO forum.
Ah, now I understand,and agree with your sentiment.
micheal_can
Senior Member
The RDCs are on their last legs.If the LDF replacement can happen, it will resolve this.
Just like the rest of the stainless steel fleet, this is at the end of their life, and beyond. And if the LDF is replaced,then there is no issues.
ProjectEnd
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Why would VIA replace RDCs with loco hauled long-distance on a remote line with minor ridership? Unless you're saying they'll filter Corridor equipment down to that line? But you still are left with higher op-costs in fuel etc.
UrbanAffair
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Not sure if posted. $13 billion for this year towards major projects, including the HSR line. It is unclear how much goes to the HSR specifically, and obviously things can go wrong with the project, but it sure seems to me an indication that the government sees this project as important and worth fast tracking and investing in at a large scale. My opinion is that from a psychological perspective, this project might actually be more important than some others, even if it isn't one of the first out of the gate to protect or build the economy.
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