afransen
Senior Member
You talking Baird? He wasn't really openly out. Maybe open secret but it wasn't talked about.
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2024 United States presidential election
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afransen
Senior Member
In the age of YouTube and social media, there will be endless receipts for people who supported what is about to happen. Musk has predicted that the US may be about to experience 3-4 dark years due to the cuts and reforms Trump will bring about but he believes it will ultimately be worth it. Most Trump supporters think he is about to usher in a painless era of prosperity and freedom.
Northern Light
Superstar
He didn't advertise it; but yes, John was quite open, I wouldn't say it was in anyway a secret.
I mean he was outed on Metro Morning (The CBC Radio 1 drive-time show) by a Conservative Candidate when she was asked if she could name any openly gay Conservative MPs or MPPs.
Source: https://xtramagazine.com/power/open-secret-conservative-cabinet-minister-john-baird-outed-35309
Apart from that, it certainly wasn't hidden at all. John was just a private person.
afransen
Senior Member
If there is a fact that is widely known but not discussed, I would say that is an open secret.
Kathleen Wynne was openly gay during her time in office.
kEiThZ
Superstar
There was some social media back then too.
It's going to be kinda hilarious and well deserved. They are talking about eliminating corporate taxes and cutting social programs and green investments. Wealthy coastal elites will be most of the windfall. Red states will get most of the cuts.
This is why I say, if even half of this goes through, this guy will be as unpopular as Bush the Younger, by the end.
I am genuinely curious to see what Trump follows through with given how sensitive he is to being unpopular.
gabe
Senior Member
Had Biden not so badly screwed up the border I think the Dems might have had a chance. The huge increase in migrants under Biden was inexcusable.
Looking at those insane numbers i can see why Trump made gains with the immigrant vote. A lot of immigrants had to jumped thru hoops to get to America legally. And now they see billions of tax dollars being spent on looking after people who just marched across the unsecured southern border.
picard102
Senior Member
I think there is a significant difference from conservative voters, and the grifters at the top who pray on their followers.
Northern Light
Superstar
While I don't disagree; I would also say, you'll find lots of visible minorities, lots of women, and almost certainly some bi-ethno-cultural couples as well among small c conservatives/republicans.
As such, I still think one ought to be careful when painting with a broad brush. Saying that there are many people in the conservative movement, particularly in the U.S. but elsewhere also that are racist is almost certainly fair; implying that most or all conservative holds such views seems a leap too far to me.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Where does this nonsense come from? You believe the country that doesn't even provide healthcare universally is spending billions to have illegals sitting around?
Those people are coming to work. That's their motivation. They most definitely aren't sitting around collecting the dole. That has implications and impact to be sure (like wage suppression). But freeloading is not one of them.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
These people care more about the fight than getting things done. They'd rather be in opposition screaming, than in government compromising. And they would rather get zero than 40%. I've said before that mentality is born out of privilege.
Trump is a racist, misogynistic, fascistic rapist. I think he's the personification of the Seven Deadly Sins. But, I am not going to blame some average person struggling to put food on the table, for voting for him, because they are upset about inflation. If Democrats can't convince that poor voter that Trump is worse for them, they need to introspect on why that message isn't landing.
Northern Light
Superstar
I completely agree with the thrust of what you're saying above.
That people seeking to reside in the U.S., particularly the vast majority arriving from points south, illegally or lawfully as asylum seekers do want to work, and generally do.
But it did get me wondering........how many asylum seekers (technically not illegals, but pertinent to the political issue at hand) are residing in publicly funded shelters.
So the first data I turned up was for New York City, and I must admit, the number is more than a little staggering, it surprised me.
From the above:
"Currently, in addition to roughly 54,000 people in the DHS homeless shelter system who resided in New York City prior to July 2022, there are more than 65,000 asylum seekers in emergency shelters"
I certainly don't hold against any legitimate asylum seeker, getting some assistance by way of shelter, but that is certainly a large budgetary hit!
The average cost as listed in the above report is $156USD per day, per asylum seeker. (works out to just over 3.6B per year)
This article is says that number is more or less current to March '24:
Where are asylum-seekers living in New York City?
The city’s sprawling emergency shelter system for asylum-seekers includes higher concentrations in parts of Manhattan and Queens.
www.cityandstateny.com
kEiThZ
Superstar
^ First, asylum seekers are not illegals. I'd be careful conflating the two.. Next, New York is fairly unique here. For one, there's a lot of international organizations there that would draw a ton of foreigners. For another, it's an extraordinarily expensive city. Much higher risk of a foreigner ending up homeless there. I would look at how much of this is a problem in the border states.
lenaitch
Senior Member
^ The curse of trying to playing within the rules. Asylum seekers can't legally work until their claim is adjudicated, and most certainly don't want to jeopardize their claim by breaking a rule, so they sit awaiting their fate.
Northern Light
Superstar
I did state as much in my post; I raise it because people do conflate these things, to some, perhaps to many, 'border crossers' (that are not tourists) are one gigantic group, and the details; don't matter.
Of course, the details do matter, but we were discussion people's perceptions.
I agree NYC is an outlier. Its something I am curious to look into in more detail, if I have the time, I will, but not with an eye to demonizing anyone, merely clarification of the impacts and how that may influence perceptions.
Northern Light
Superstar
Well...........maybe.........
From: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum
*** Side note, this got me wondering about Canada (For clarity, I didn't actually know the above, until looking it up after being prompted by the post, as a matter of curiosity)
This also applies in Canada - different regime of course.
Source: https://www.ciussswestcentral.ca/pr...tion-of-asylum-seekers/i-am-an-asylum-seeker/