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2018 Ontario Provincial Election Discussion

AlvinofDiaspar said:
Fair, but if there is one thing I trust it would be that they will observe long-standing political customs - customs that are essential for the long-term stability and continuity of the broader political system. I don't think I can count on any government lead by Doug Ford to do the same given his previous record and his behaviour during the campaign. The PC party mechanisms has already proven inadequate a check on his machinations - I am not sure if the safeguards of government will prove up to the task either.
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We already know it won't be. Look at what happened when his brother was mayor and Dofo was only a city councillor, for Christ's sakes. Does anyone expect any better when he's officially the one in charge, and at a higher level of government at that?

yrt+viva=1system said:
Out of curiosity, has anyone else noticed that there's significantly less lawn signage this election?
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I've noticed this. It would seem people are sufficiently embarrassed about who they're voting for that they don't wish to advertise it. What an election!
 
King of Kensington said:
I think the NDP will take University-Rosedale, but the Avenue Rd. wall poses a challenge. They need to get well over 50% in the "Trinity Spadina" part to offset Rosedale.
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Speaking of....I work in Rosedale (like, in the heart of it) and I gotta say, Tim Grant has some wealthy friends, judging by lawn signs.
Lawn sign wars amongst the mansions: 1. PCs (Probably all nouveau riche, if I may be allowed to generalise based on experience)
2. Greens
3. Liberals
4. there is no 4.
 
adma said:
With Schreiner shut out of the debates, which competitive-esque Green candidate (such as Tim Grant) *wouldn't* be cynical? Other than Schreiner in his own riding, of course.
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I'm pretty sure most of us (Greens) are cynical at this point. I used to dream when I was 18; I'm 33 now and politics to me tastes like rubbish. That and I've given up on overhauling the oh-so-enlightened electoral system we suffer under.

People don't care that majorities are ruled by minorities, what am I gonna do about that? Not give a toss either is what.
 
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MTown said:
Speaking of....I work in Rosedale (like, in the heart of it) and I gotta say, Tim Grant has some wealthy friends, judging by lawn signs.
Lawn sign wars amongst the mansions: 1. PCs (Probably all nouveau riche, if I may be allowed to generalise based on experience)
2. Greens
3. Liberals
4. there is no 4.
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In south Scarborough along Hill Crescent where a lot of well off people live there are virtually no signs. Of course there are also no dandelions so I'm not overly surprised.
 
adma said:
Uh-oh: Forum Research 39 PC-35 NDP-19 Lib : yeah, that NDP landslide rogue poll was too good to be true...

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
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Hmm. Well I'd sooner people be more motivated to vote in a close race.

I wouldn't call any of these "rogue" polls. To the extent that any of these meet any real criteria for randomness, there are always going to be some with more "extreme" results. Of course Forum's methodology might be worse too. Or they're better picking up the volatility.
 
MTown said:
Speaking of....I work in Rosedale (like, in the heart of it) and I gotta say, Tim Grant has some wealthy friends, judging by lawn signs.
Lawn sign wars amongst the mansions: 1. PCs (Probably all nouveau riche, if I may be allowed to generalise based on experience)
2. Greens
3. Liberals
4. there is no 4.
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A friend said he saw an NDP sign on Cluny Drive. Probably one of the kids who transfered from Harvard Business to Sociology.
 
Reminder for anyone swayed by Wynne's charisma that an entire Liberal government and party apparatus still exists behind her.

Also a reminder that even though Hydro prices needed to go up to fix issues in the system, there was no reason why it needed to rise as much as it has- for anyone who argues that Ontario energy is now "middle of the pack", why couldn't we have "lower-end of the continent" prices instead?

EXCLUSIVE: Liberals ignored green energy advice that could’ve saved Ontarians billions, lead engineer says
But the lead engineer responsible for designing and implementing a key component of the plan – the FIT and Micro-FIT programs that saw billions of dollars in green-energy contracts awarded to solar and wind companies – tells Global News in an exclusive interview the Liberal government ignored expert advice that, if followed, could have saved Ontario electricity customers billions of dollars in unnecessary spending.

He also says the government never provided details of public promises about how much the plan would cost Ontarians – even though he asked the ministry responsible to provide this information two months before the Green Energy Act was passed.

Despite these concerns, the government pushed ahead with its green energy “agenda,” against the better wisdom of its own policy advisers and to the detriment of Ontario electricity customers, he said.
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“To ensure the long-term sustainability of the Ontario FIT program, it is important that the ground-mounted [solar] industry is grown gradually over time, in order not to unduly burden rate-payers,” the report said.

By ignoring this advice, MacDougall says the government missed an opportunity to save billions of dollars and grow the industry slowly. It’s kind of like the government agreed to purchase millions of flat-screen TVs at inflated 2005 prices without taking any steps to take advantage as prices for the new technology dropped rapidly. For example, between September 2009 and February 2010, the OPA said the price of installing ground-mounted solar panels dropped by as much as 30 per cent.
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While MacDougall says the OPA wanted renewable energy in the province to grow at a snail’s pace, the government – pushed by industry groups and individual investors – instead chose to implement a policy that saw the floodgates opened wide. (Global News has obtained notes from stakeholder meetings where industry groups/individuals were pressing the government to increase prices).
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Despite Smitherman’s assertions, Yauch says the public was misled. He says Ontarians were told the Green Energy Act would have marginal impact on their bills, when in reality, it appears neither the government nor those tasked with designing key components of the plan had any indication of what it would cost.
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“Anger over the hydro file is very real and very justified,” he said. “I mean, there’s no reason why it had to turn out like this.”

“Right now, people are going to look at this and say, ‘The government, the province, totally ignored its agencies. It went ahead with policies and programs that it knew were going to be costly, ineffective and inefficient,” he said.

“But if you sell the public on a policy and then the evidence doesn’t line up – do you stand down? Or do you just push ahead?” he asked. “They just pushed ahead.”
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4237041/...s-green-energy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



When it comes to how Ontarians feel about the Fair Hydro Plan, the Ipsos polling shows only 22 per cent of respondents say they’ve noticed a decrease in their bills.

Meanwhile, 61 per cent of Ontarians said the rising price of hydro will impact the way they vote on June 7. In Northern Ontario – where bills have gone up the most – 74 per cent of respondents said hydro will impact their vote.

In total, less than half of Ontarians said they can easily afford their hydro bills, while 38 per cent said they have difficulty finding the money to pay at the end of the month.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/4226895/ontario-hydro-election-rising-prices/



The Liberal ignoring expert advice... hmm where have we seen that before?
Wynne stubbornly ignored wise advice even from her most trusted political strategists in approving the sale (of Hydro One), insisting voters would ultimately see the benefit of using $4 billion to $5 billion from the sale to pay for new roads, bridges and public transit such as buses and subway lines.
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https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...ay-kathleen-wynne-lost-the-2018-election.html
The provincial transportation ministry pressured Metrolinx leadership to approve a new $100-million GO Transit station in the (Del Duca)’s riding, according to documents obtained by the Star.
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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tr...o-approve-go-station-in-ministers-riding.html

The Liberals should lose on this characteristic itself. It is no way to govern, and has caused so many of the problems that this province faces today (which are often patched up with more half-baked solutions, like the Hydro price cut/remorgage)
 
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jje1000 said:
Reminder for anyone swayed by Wynne's charisma that an entire Liberal government and party apparatus still exists behind her.

Also a reminder that even though Hydro prices needed to go up to fix issues in the system, there was no reason why it needed to rise as much as it has- for anyone who argues that Ontario energy is now "middle of the pack", why couldn't we have "lower-end of the continent" prices instead?

EXCLUSIVE: Liberals ignored green energy advice that could’ve saved Ontarians billions, lead engineer says








https://globalnews.ca/news/4237041/...s-green-energy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



The Liberal ignoring expert advice... hmm where have we seen that before?

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...ay-kathleen-wynne-lost-the-2018-election.html

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tr...o-approve-go-station-in-ministers-riding.html

The Liberals should lose on this characteristic itself. It is no way to govern, and has caused so many of the problems that this province faces today (which are often patched up with more half-baked solutions, like the Hydro price cut/remorgage)
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They also just sold 3 casinos for way under market value to a company being investigated for aiding in money laundering.

They just can't help themselves. They needed to be squeaky clean post McGuinty and they haven't been at all.
 
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