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2015 Federal Election

WislaHD said:
I am in the same boat Tuscani, a Liberal who has no problems voting for the NDP and probably will vote NDP this election.
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Same (though I would be hesitant to call myself a Liberal by default). I have no problem whatsoever with a NDP-Liberal (or Liberal-NDP) coalition government. Now if only the two said parties get away from sniping at each other...

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Same (though I would be hesitant to call myself a Liberal by default). I have no problem whatsoever with a NDP-Liberal (or Liberal-NDP) coalition government. Now if only the two said parties get away from sniping at each other...

AoD
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Good call.

I consider myself a radical centrist by default, and it just so happens that the Liberals fall around the center of the political spectrum here in Canada. (Though recently I am beginning to question how true that is federally)

I by default greatly dislike partisanship from all sides. I believe compromise and solutions can be found from all political houses.
 
I prefer "outcome based politics" instead (let's put aside the not so trivial question of what is and how to measure outcomes, much less what should be the desired outcomes.

AoD
 
WislaHD said:
Trudeau wants to go to a ranked ballot or STV system that would benefit the Liberals disproportionately doesn't he?

I think at the provincial and federal level, a PR system like the NDP wants is more democratic.
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A ranked ballot in single-member constituencies ("alternative vote") might have benefited the Liberals when they were the default "second choice". I'm not sure this is still the case. This can also backfire: in 1952, the Liberal-Conservative Coalition in BC implemented a preferential ballot, so that both the Liberals and PCs could each run separate slates (the coalition was falling apart, but keeping the socialist hordes in the CCF at bay was still the primary goal). However, the somewhat unknown Socreds established themselves (unexpectedly) as the popular second choice of the anti-CCF voters, and won a slim minority with scarcely 27% of the vote in the first count. Interestingly, the CCF actually won the plurality of the vote in both the first and second counts and was only one seat behind the Socreds. In short, the results can be unpredictable.

I also agree that PR is more democratic. It's important to point out that the Alternative Vote is *not* a proportional system. But it does make sense where partisan representation isn't so important, such as, perhaps, municipal elections...
 
Videodrome said:
If Harper does indeed win re-election, but with a rather small minority, the party won't be very happy. Some people think that he could step down as a result.
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I predict the weakening Libs and strengthening NDP split the vote, leading to a slime Conservative majority. After that I can't see Harper staying around for the subsequent election, and instead spends four years on succession planning.
 
adma said:
Interesting typo.
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Ha. That made me chuckle. Slime indeed.

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WislaHD said:
Trudeau wants to go to a ranked ballot or STV system that would benefit the Liberals disproportionately doesn't he?
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It's NOT ranked ballots, as proposed for the City of Toronto. More likely it is proposed that the federal election have proportional representation. Proportional representation means that the number of seats reflect the actual results of the election. For example, in the 2011 election, the Conservatives got 39.62% of the total votes, the NDP got 30.63%, the Liberals 18.91%, Bloc Québécois 6.04%, Green 3.91%, and others 0.89%. However, the seats standings at time resulted in Conservatives 53.90%, NDP 33.44%, Liberals 11.04%, Bloc Québécois 1.30%, and Green 0.32%, with the Conservatives getting a majority of seats with less than 40% of the votes. With proportional representation, there would have to be no election called if the leading party loses a house of commons vote, the election date would be the election date.
 
I thought Mulcair was proposing PR and Trudeau proposing something else?

What sort of PR system would we be getting?

Would every MP be selected via list doing away with local representatives?

Or would there still be local representatives and simply more MPs that will be allocated proportionately (via list) until we receive a proportional seat-to-vote percentage?

I much prefer the second option as even though we will have 50 or so more MPs (?) this would mean that voters get two votes, one for local representative and one for party, which gives voters more options empowering them.
 
The breakup text is gold. I wonder how the great one feels about someone invoking his name in that process, after all that's being said and done.

AoD
 
Forum has new poll numbers:

The official Opposition NDP has the backing of 34 per cent of voters, according to the poll, compared to 28 per cent support for the Liberals and 26 per cent for the Conservatives.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...now-leading-in-public-support-poll-finds.html

Also noteworthy:

This week’s Forum poll also found that a majority of Liberal and NDP voters want the two parties to form a coalition if the Conservatives win a minority government in October.

Among Liberal and NDP supporters, 75 per cent and 76 per cent respectively support a coalition of the centre-left. There was only 12 per cent support among Conservatives for a coalition.
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It's really looking like this election is going to be less about policy, and more about voting for who has the best chance to beat the Conservatives. The party with the lead in the polls before election day will likely benefit from the majority of undecided votes and strategic voters.
 
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