St Clair West Transportation Masterplan

[Monarch Butterfly]

Would it? How many GO stations do you anticipate on that line between Kipling station and a station at Jane? How many between Jane and Weston?

Streetcars aren't for longer distance services. For that build subway and RER-like services.

The longest tram route is The Kusttram (Coast Tram) service that operates along the Belgian coast from Knokke in the north to De Panne in the south – a distance of 68 km (42 miles).

See https://www.seebeautifulplaces.com/2024/12/world-longest-tramline.html

 

[JasonParis]

I know this is off topic. But too bad the St Clair ROW couldn't be extended from Gunns loop to Scarlett Rd as part of a bigger Master Plan. Maybe even past Scarlett to Dundas, but that's dreaming.

I can still see it happening, possibly looping at a Lambton Station on the Milton-Midtown GO LINE.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

I would take a bus over the St Clair streetcar with its dismal average speed any day.

St Clair gets a lot of hate, but honestly I find that it moves fairly fast. The replacement buses are typically terrible in comparison.

 

[TRONto]

St Clair gets a lot of hate, but honestly I find that it moves fairly fast. The replacement buses are typically terrible in comparison.

Agreed. It could be way better but I choose the ride from Line 1 to Gunns over a Line 2 +bus which might be 5+ minutes faster

 

[sebajun]

St Clair gets a lot of hate, but honestly I find that it moves fairly fast. The replacement buses are typically terrible in comparison.

I don't disagree. But it could be WAY better. For eg., I rode Line 5 from Mt. Dennis to Yonge and Eglinton in a total of 16 minutes. The same trip (Gunns Loop to St. Clair Station is ~35 minutes on St. Clair). So Line 5 is more than 2x faster. I think we can realistically get the same distance on St. Clair down to like 20 minutes, using full signal priority, increasing speed limits, and getting rid of a bunch of stations.

 

[DavidJamesTO]

In my mind, there's nothing that would separate the St Clair, Harbourfront, and Spadina cars from light rail with transit priority switched on. All a matter of speeds and stop spacing.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

In my mind, there's nothing that would separate the St Clair, Harbourfront, and Spadina cars from light rail with transit priority switched on. All a matter of speeds and stop spacing.

If they get proper transit signal priority for the light rail lines that really works properly as advertised,

THEN duplicate those transit signal priority for the legacy streetcar network​

AND get double-point track switches for the legacy streetcar network​

AND proper controls for those switches (instead of the cheapest) for the legacy streetcar network​

AND remove close spaced streetcar stops for the legacy streetcar network​

THEN some of the legacy streetcar lines that use right-of-ways (IE. part of the 501 along the Queensway, 509, 510, part of the 511, 512) could be upgraded to become "rapid transit lines".

 

[thenorth]

If they get proper transit signal priority for the light rail lines that really works properly as advertised,

THEN duplicate those transit signal priority for the legacy streetcar network​

AND get double-point track switches for the legacy streetcar network​

AND proper controls for those switches (instead of the cheapest) for the legacy streetcar network​

AND remove close spaced streetcar stops for the legacy streetcar network​

THEN some of the legacy streetcar lines that use right-of-ways (IE. part of the 501 along the Queensway, 509, 510, part of the 511, 512) could be upgraded to become "rapid transit lines".

Users don’t care about the loops.

Signal priority and fixing the switches are major benefits to users.