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Update on the West Don Crossing:

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Map for reference:
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Walmsley Brook Crossing (West of West Don Crossing). Basically everything you see here is for a work (staging?) area.
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Don Valley Station:
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Don Valley Station tail track area:
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East Harbour Transit Hub:
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Cut and cover tunnel East of Cherry Street:
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Exhibition TBM Launch Shaft/Portal. You can see an outline of where the TBMs will enter now.
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Looking West at the launch shaft:
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Exhibition North entrance building
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Wide shot of platform work:
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officedweller said:
Aren't those footings for the OMC?

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You're totally right! I had a map that just showed this and two other areas by these crossings as "work areas" with no mention of permanent structures.
 
Ok......with all of the great progress shots, from multiple contributors, but special shout out to @kotsy ......it may seem hard to believe.................

But I have now had some information corroborated by multiple sources.

It appears the O/L will be the latest Mx project to miss its opening date.

The number that I was given, which I don't feel it appropriate to share at this time, is astoundingly bad. While I couldn't verify the precise number, multiple sources agreed Mx will miss its targeted opening of Fall 2031.

Also agreed, was that it won't be particularly close.

Whereas the date in question remains, literally, six years away, i assume Mx has some room to expedite things should the political impetus and budget for that be made to occur.

But in general, delays compound over time, and rarely end up being caught up on.

File under, concern warranted.
 
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Northern Light said:
Ok......with all of the great progress shots, from multiple contributors, but special shout out to @kotsy ......it may seem hard to believe.................

But I have now had some information corroborated by multiple sources.

It appears the O/L will be the latest Mx project to miss its opening date.

The number that I was given, which I don't feel it appropriate to share at this time, is astoundingly bad. While I couldn't verify the precise number, multiple sources agreed Mx will miss its targeted opening of Fall 2031.

Also agreed, was that it won't be particularly close.

Whereas the date in question remains, literally, six years away, i assume Mx has some room to expedite things should the political impetus and budget for that be made to occur.

But in general, delays compound overtime, and rarely end up being caught up on.

File under, concern warranted.
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Metrolinx really ought to learn from their experience. If they are not, then why not? Political masters always pointing them to new shiny things? Massive organizational dysfunction? Other? Some of each??

So frustrating
 
I have a super power: People often don't notice me standing there/walking by or notice but then forget that I'm standing there.

The things I have heard walking by these OL contructions sites, including an overheard discussion on completion date changes. 😅

Then there is the additional super power of being able to just talk to someone and unwitteningly "charm" the info out of them. 😂
 
Northern Light said:
Ok......with all of the great progress shots, from multiple contributors, but special shout out to @kotsy ......it may seem hard to believe.................

But I have now had some information corroborated by multiple sources.

It appears the O/L will be the latest Mx project to miss its opening date.

The number that I was given, which I don't feel it appropriate to share at this time, is astoundingly bad. While I couldn't verify the precise number, multiple sources agreed Mx will miss its targeted opening of Fall 2031.

Also agreed, was that it won't be particularly close.

Whereas the date in question remains, literally, six years away, i assume Mx has some room to expedite things should the political impetus and budget for that be made to occur.

But in general, delays compound overtime, and rarely end up being caught up on.

File under, concern warranted.
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Opening day will be 2040 - you heard it here first!

(I'll be too old to care)
 
Northern Light said:
Ok......with all of the great progress shots, from multiple contributors, but special shout out to @kotsy ......it may seem hard to believe.................

But I have now had some information corroborated by multiple sources.

It appears the O/L will be the latest Mx project to miss its opening date.

The number that I was given, which I don't feel it appropriate to share at this time, is astoundingly bad. While I couldn't verify the precise number, multiple sources agreed Mx will miss its targeted opening of Fall 2031.

Also agreed, was that it won't be particularly close.

Whereas the date in question remains, literally, six years away, i assume Mx has some room to expedite things should the political impetus and budget for that be made to occur.

But in general, delays compound overtime, and rarely end up being caught up on.

File under, concern warranted
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Cue my re-rant about the legal concept of "material change" which applies in the private sector, and how it should apply to major public sector infrastructure projects.

The concept is that by law, a "big" (ie material) change in the earnings potential of a traded company must be disclosed to its shareholders and the Street generally so that potential and current investors have timely and accurate data about their investment decisions.

There is a case before the Supreme Court where a mining company waited a mere 40 days to disclose a major hiccup that put a mine out of production for a time. One of the points being tested in court is whether 40 days is too slow.

If that concept were applied to a transit project, there is some threshold where the project (and the government) would be obliged to disclose the slippage or overspend. My personal take is, an overspend of 10% of the committed cost or a delay to opening date of 9 months from the original committed date should be viewed as material. The disclosure ought to be immediate at that point, not years later.

Back when TYSSE went sideways, Byford and TTC brass waited until the overspend was iirc $450M before fessing up. In part, that was to buy time while they devised a correction plan. But one has to ask, why not when the overspend was $100M? $200M?

Crosstown similarly must have had a point years ago where the delay date was known to be more than 9 months. ML has stayed silent for years now, and the overspend (I'm sure there is one) is buried in non-disclosure and legal proceedings.

The point being, the public is the shareholder, not the Cabinet, and it's our money.... an investment on a per Ontarian commensurate with the value of their RRSP or TFSA. Surely we deserve equal treatment under the law to know how that investment is faring.

The issue is not that the project takes longer or costs more, it's about when the government of the day admits publicly. Care to start a pool on what that date turns out to be?

- Paul
 
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north-of-anything said:
If the Eglinton Line is any indication of the time from the completion of tunnelling to the opening of the line... we're in for a long ten years.
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Recall that on Eglinton and TYSSE they didn't start the stations until after the tunnelling was completed (for Eglinton I think it was years after before they even tendered the stations).

Also recall that when Ford changed the plan from TTC building the fully funded alignment from Osgoode to Don Valley (with Phase 2 to Sheppard), part of the justification is that it would be quicker, and would open in 2027 instead of 2029.

I'm a bit surprised though, given how quickly construction is anecdotally going compared to some other projects (Scarborough Line 2 extension and Hurontario Line 10 come to mind).
 
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