TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[Steve X]

That’s precisely the problem. The first four subway lines were build by the TTC in Toronto. Now they are being built by metrolinx

This isn’t necessary a bad thing.

TO politics are too bias for themselves while upholding favours to Torontoians. After they try justify an express subway to STC. They do deserve to get their planning rights revoked. They are also indecisive like planning for a tunnel under the Lawrence/Kingston Rd/Morningside intersection and yanking it out again.

Subway extensions have to be compatible with the current system. So this eliminates all the “unknown” factors. The TTC does have a say on what they could use on the track material. I do question their ability of maintaining the system as they seem to be clueless now with all the slow zones and the SRT track failure incident.

 

[nfitz]

That’s precisely the problem. The first four subway lines were build by the TTC in Toronto. Now they are being built by metrolinx

Nothings stops TTC building other new subway lines and stations if they choose to spend money that way. The only limits related to the Line 1 extension up Yonge, and the Line 2 extension to Sheppard. And perhaps a Line 4 east extension - I can't remember about that one.

The cost of the TTC expansion and rebuilding of Yonge-Bloor station probably exceeds any of the new subway stations that Metrolinx is building - other than perhaps on the Ontario Line downtown.

 

[T3G]

TO politics are too bias for themselves while upholding favours to Torontoians.

Toronto's politicians get elected to represent the interests of their constituents, not others. You don't expect politicians out in Milton to worry about local issues in Sarnia, do you?

 

[Undead]

You have to extend the subway beyond the City's borders. Otherwise, the Province won't give you funding because there's no political gain for them.

 

[Cyrobyte]

You have to extend the subway beyond the City's borders. Otherwise, the Province won't give you funding because there's no political gain for them.

That's is what I am upset about. The province is extorting the TTC to make them serve the interests of people in Vaughan etc etc

 

[north-of-anything]

If the TTC subway lines poke slightly into neighbouring cities and terminate at high density nodes, that's serving people travelling into Toronto, and giving Torontonians connections to the outside, diverting those trips from Toronto streets. This is most true in York Region where the boundary with Toronto is more porous.

Unless they get extended long enough to allow for local trips that have nothing to do with Toronto (cough Major Mack cough), I don't see the issue.

 

[picard102]

That's is what I am upset about. The province is extorting the TTC to make them serve the interests of people in Vaughan etc etc

It serves those of us who have to commute into Vaughan from Toronto.

 

[drum118]

This can be in other threads
Hitachi Rail’s international survey shows Toronto transit users want shorter trips

“Can we make this quick?”, ask Toronto transit users​

 

[81-717]

Unless they get extended long enough to allow for local trips that have nothing to do with Toronto (cough Major Mack cough), I don't see the issue.

Major Mack does have a logical destination for both 905ers & 416ers (Wonderland). And to be fair, some YRT routes go as far south as Sheppard, and at least one used to go as far as Yorkdale, even if they didn't allow local trips within Toronto by refusing anyone on & off south of Steeles.

The usual concern with extending the line that far is that most people would take it all the way downtown (which has also been debunked), at which point GO might be a better option, but the concern of some trips being too short (905 to 905) instead of too long (905 to dt) is a new one to me.

Does most of the population require a court appointed guardian to be allowed to move around in the streets?

These days, either a court-appointed guardian or bail/parole/probation officer.

 

[north-of-anything]

Major Mack does have a logical destination for both 905ers & 416ers (Wonderland). And to be fair, some YRT routes go as far south as Sheppard, and at least one used to go as far as Yorkdale, even if they didn't allow local trips within Toronto by refusing anyone on & off south of Steeles.

The usual concern with extending the line that far is that most people would take it all the way downtown (which has also been debunked), at which point GO might be a better option, but the concern of some trips being too short (905 to 905) instead of too long (905 to dt) is a new one to me.

It's less about the trip itself being flawed, and more about the prospect of Toronto footing the bill for trips exclusively within York Region. As far as I know, York doesn't pay for operating expenses related to its portion of Line 1. York Region Transit also only goes as far as necessary to connect with the subway, at Fairview Mall and (formerly) Yorkdale.

As for Major Mack having a logical destination, I agree, but I feel it would be better served by a new Viva route that goes from VMC north on Jane, then east on Major Mackenzie to Yonge or beyond. I fear that extending the Line 1 further north of VMC will drive out a valuable supply of employment land in the GTA in favour of high-rise suburbs.

 

[turbanplanner]

Major Mack does have a logical destination for both 905ers & 416ers (Wonderland). And to be fair, some YRT routes go as far south as Sheppard, and at least one used to go as far as Yorkdale, even if they didn't allow local trips within Toronto by refusing anyone on & off south of Steeles.

The usual concern with extending the line that far is that most people would take it all the way downtown (which has also been debunked), at which point GO might be a better option, but the concern of some trips being too short (905 to 905) instead of too long (905 to dt) is a new one to me.


These days, either a court-appointed guardian or bail/parole/probation officer.

I get YRT is a different union than the TTC/Miway drivers but holy crap why did they fight so hard to stop non TTC vehicles from picking up passengers in Toronto now that onefare is a thing?

 

[bearcat]

I get YRT is a different union than the TTC/Miway drivers but holy crap why did they fight so hard to stop non TTC vehicles from picking up passengers in Toronto now that onefare is a thing?

Is there any progress on this? Do non-TTC buses still have restrictions on picking up and dropping off passengers in Toronto?

 

[turbanplanner]

Is there any progress on this? Do non-TTC buses still have restrictions on picking up and dropping off passengers in Toronto?

AFAIK the union fought it when the TTC was re-negotiating last year and accepting to uphold the ban.

It's idiotic as there are dozens of Miway busses going east to west in Toronto every hour but some TTC routes only run every 30 mins.

 

[ARG1]

Toronto's politicians get elected to represent the interests of their constituents, not others. You don't expect politicians out in Milton to worry about local issues in Sarnia, do you?

But Milton and Sarnia are 2 completely different towns that are 2.5 hours apart. We're not talking about 2 isolated towns, we're talking about a continuous and integrated metro area, where the line between 1 municipality and another is usually completely arbitrary.

Tell me, where is the Toronto/York Region border?

Unless you're someone who knows Toronto's layout in and out, and is able to identify Steeles Avenue on a map, there is absolutely nothing that indicates that Steeles is a municipal border, or that north and south of that street are somehow to completely separate cities with separate interests and needs. To any layman, these two areas look exactly the same, are part of the same city. As such the idea that transit planning and operation should be handled at a regional level that transcends arbitrary municipal borders should frankly be common sense. This isn't the 80s anymore, the world doesn't end at Steeles Avenue. There are millions of people that live outside the city of Toronto, commute to Toronto on a daily (or many times per week) basis, rely on city services, and use city transportation especially the TTC. There are many Mississauga residents that use Line 2, and there are many, and I mean MANY York Region residents that use Line 1 to commute to work daily. This idea that TTC and especially the subway only exists to serve Toronto residents is outdated, and hasn't been true for 3-4 decades now.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

But Milton and Sarnia are 2 completely different towns that are 2.5 hours apart. We're not talking about 2 isolated towns, we're talking about a continuous and integrated metro area, where the line between 1 municipality and another is usually completely arbitrary.

Tell me, where is the Toronto/York Region border?
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Unless you're someone who knows Toronto's layout in and out, and is able to identify Steeles Avenue on a map, there is absolutely nothing that indicates that Steeles is a municipal border, or that north and south of that street are somehow to completely separate cities with separate interests and needs. To any layman, these two areas look exactly the same, are part of the same city. As such the idea that transit planning and operation should be handled at a regional level that transcends arbitrary municipal borders should frankly be common sense. This isn't the 80s anymore, the world doesn't end at Steeles Avenue. There are millions of people that live outside the city of Toronto, commute to Toronto on a daily (or many times per week) basis, rely on city services, and use city transportation especially the TTC. There are many Mississauga residents that use Line 2, and there are many, and I mean MANY York Region residents that use Line 1 to commute to work daily. This idea that TTC and especially the subway only exists to serve Toronto residents is outdated, and hasn't been true for 3-4 decades now.

Oh good - I wonder if said York region residents felt the same way about other aspects of regional cost sharing - and their expectations on their councillors/MPPs on such.

The key issue here is that you can't pick and choose what constitute legitimate regional needs - and that there needs to be *some* mechanism for funding infrastructure that has regional importance.

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