Panzerfaust
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Now for today's installment of "Dentrobate has to learn how to read", a delightful example of Dentrobate totally overlooking something.
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TTC: Pape Station Renovation
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DENTROBATE54
Banned
If you're going to attempt at mocking me, at least remember what you damn posted. Three...transfers...duh
! Also you're making the assumpton everywhere major's already reachable by YUS which isn't a plausible argument.I'll pass. Something tells me the Dentrobate54 Hate Club would be in full attendence, lol!
I wasn't referring to the actual DRL or Don Mills LRT reaching upto Major Mack but rather that commuters from that far north have commuted via bus down to access it. I wouldn't mind seeing either express lines attached to all existing lines such that in the 905 subways can be local while limited-stops within the 416---OR---better fare integration with GO. People need to wake up, stop seeing transit as strictly business and be more accomodating of commuters' needs.
bjl
New Member
He can read, he just can't comprehend anything...so he makes it all up....it's quite entertaining though.
Panzerfaust
Active Member
I remember what I posted. I also never said that was the only option. However, that's the option we'd be most likely to see, since the TTC is dead-set on LRT up Jane and Don Mills. A subway connection to those two lines would be the best we can hope for, though an LRT connection would be good in the interim.If you're going to attempt at mocking me, at least remember what you damn posted. Three...transfers...duh
It's probably my fault here for bad phrasing in my post, so I'll give you this one.
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Dentrobate, that's two transfers, not three.
Anyway, you're missing the point here. Nobody is saying that everything downtown is reachable by the YUS, or that everything would be within walking distance of the DRL. The point of the DRL is that it would serve a large number of new areas, all undergoing major redevelopment, at a very reasonable cost. There's no way to somehow put the entire area from the Don to Dufferin, Davenport to the Lake, within fifty yards of a subway station without building five lines or more, all underground. That's just not within the realm of possibility.
junctionist
Senior Member
TTC touts subway station make-overs
By Ali Zafar, National Post
March 07, 2008
The TTC is introducing art into its subway stations as part of an underground make-over that has public-art advocates cheering, even as preservationists fear the system’s visual identity is being lost.
“I think this is the best thing, this integration of art into the subway stops,” said Colette Laliberté, a professor at the Ontario College of Art and Design (OCAD). “Reinventing the subway line and incorporating art there, it’s like walking through a gallery on your way to work, it’s fantastic.”
This week, the TTC held an open house on its plans for the Pape station, the first station that will be revamped under the TTC’s $275-million station modernization program. It was launched last summer on the Bloor-Danforth line, and includes $25-million for “aesthetic changes” in the stations.
The $20.8-million Pape station revamp is anticipated to begin this fall, to be followed by the Dufferin station and then the Bloor-Yonge station, said Dave Grigg,
project manager for the program.
“The intent is that basically the whole appearance needs to change,” Mr. Grigg said.
The program aims to improve finishings on the walls, floors and ceilings inside the subway stops, along with better lighting. On the outside, the focus will be on creating new station appearances and landscaping.
However, for Ms. Laliberté — who teaches a course on art in the public realm — more art on the subway line is most important. “When you think of the number of people who take the subway everyday, some people are in there for hours going from Kipling to the other side of the city. So seeing the variety [of art] from one station to another is a moment of enrichment in your day to day life,” Ms. Laliberté said.
“We don’t have enough art in our life and this is bringing it to us in the subway,” she said. “It’s refreshing.”
After its renovation — set to be completed in 2010 — the Pape station will display approximately 80 digital photographs of the station by Kitchener artist Allan Harding MacKay.
Mr. MacKay said the $85,000 artwork will be displayed in a series of two- by four-foot photos, with the actual photo set alongside abstract versions.
“The images are first literal and then get made into a series where they get transformed, abstracted, swirled or highly textured. In other words, they move from being very recognizable images to more of an abstraction,” said Mr. MacKay, who also created the Veterans’ Memorial Wall at Queen’s Park.
Mr. MacKay said the works took six months to complete, and although the TTC commissioned the project, the idea behind the art was his own.
“I wanted to do something with the environment that stimulates the imagination of people, to let their own subjectivity develop meaning for them,” he said, adding he wanted passengers to view the Pape station and its surroundings through their own eyes.
“There needs to be spaces created within the public space to allow the imagination to be exercised freely,” Mr. MacKay said.
The modernization program has raised some controversy with purists upset the subway line’s iconic visual identity — the system even has its own typeface — is being tampered with.
“There are a few stations that are in their original form and to renovate that you obviously lose some of that. The question is is it significant or of value? Is that loss something that’s irreparable?” said Andrew Pruss, an architect with ERA Architects Inc.
City councillor Adam Vaughan, who is on the Toronto Preservation Board, said the TTC should take into consideration the historical value of the subway line before it tears it apart.
“The Bloor-Danforth line is a rhythm of colours that has a set pattern and it’s designed as a piece and it speaks to an era gone by,” Mr. Vaughan said.
“Before we start tampering with this and breaking it up, there’s some history there, and I think there needs to be a discussion held on how to preserve it and recognize it as heritage,” Mr. Vaughan added.
Mr. Grigg said heritage considerations ‘‘are being reviewed,’’ and the TTC hopes it can renovate the stations without offending the preservationists. ‘‘We plan to bring something on board,” he said.
Other stops to be renovated on the Bloor-Danforth line, which opened in 1966, include the Islington station, at a cost of $19.6-million, Kipling for $35.5-million and Victoria Park for $46.4-million. Construction is set to complete by 2010 and renovations on these stations will focus on restructuring, along with having easy accessibility.
Similar reconstructions along the University line, which opened in 1963, are a joint initiative between the TTC and Toronto Community Foundation.
In that initiative, labeled Station Renaissance, St. Patrick and Osgoode stations will be renovated each at a cost of $5-million. A date hasn’t been set as to when the construction will start.
An ongoing $5-million facelift for the Museum station will be completed on April 8, when the motif pillars will be unwrapped for the public to see, Mr. Grigg said.
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Pape doesn't have much time until those tiles disappear and the TTC brings us the sequel to the Yonge line's wall surface modernization. What could come out of those heritage considerations? Preservation of the appropriate elements is the hope rather full destruction, of course.
By Ali Zafar, National Post
March 07, 2008
The TTC is introducing art into its subway stations as part of an underground make-over that has public-art advocates cheering, even as preservationists fear the system’s visual identity is being lost.
“I think this is the best thing, this integration of art into the subway stops,” said Colette Laliberté, a professor at the Ontario College of Art and Design (OCAD). “Reinventing the subway line and incorporating art there, it’s like walking through a gallery on your way to work, it’s fantastic.”
This week, the TTC held an open house on its plans for the Pape station, the first station that will be revamped under the TTC’s $275-million station modernization program. It was launched last summer on the Bloor-Danforth line, and includes $25-million for “aesthetic changes” in the stations.
The $20.8-million Pape station revamp is anticipated to begin this fall, to be followed by the Dufferin station and then the Bloor-Yonge station, said Dave Grigg,
project manager for the program.
“The intent is that basically the whole appearance needs to change,” Mr. Grigg said.
The program aims to improve finishings on the walls, floors and ceilings inside the subway stops, along with better lighting. On the outside, the focus will be on creating new station appearances and landscaping.
However, for Ms. Laliberté — who teaches a course on art in the public realm — more art on the subway line is most important. “When you think of the number of people who take the subway everyday, some people are in there for hours going from Kipling to the other side of the city. So seeing the variety [of art] from one station to another is a moment of enrichment in your day to day life,” Ms. Laliberté said.
“We don’t have enough art in our life and this is bringing it to us in the subway,” she said. “It’s refreshing.”
After its renovation — set to be completed in 2010 — the Pape station will display approximately 80 digital photographs of the station by Kitchener artist Allan Harding MacKay.
Mr. MacKay said the $85,000 artwork will be displayed in a series of two- by four-foot photos, with the actual photo set alongside abstract versions.
“The images are first literal and then get made into a series where they get transformed, abstracted, swirled or highly textured. In other words, they move from being very recognizable images to more of an abstraction,” said Mr. MacKay, who also created the Veterans’ Memorial Wall at Queen’s Park.
Mr. MacKay said the works took six months to complete, and although the TTC commissioned the project, the idea behind the art was his own.
“I wanted to do something with the environment that stimulates the imagination of people, to let their own subjectivity develop meaning for them,” he said, adding he wanted passengers to view the Pape station and its surroundings through their own eyes.
“There needs to be spaces created within the public space to allow the imagination to be exercised freely,” Mr. MacKay said.
The modernization program has raised some controversy with purists upset the subway line’s iconic visual identity — the system even has its own typeface — is being tampered with.
“There are a few stations that are in their original form and to renovate that you obviously lose some of that. The question is is it significant or of value? Is that loss something that’s irreparable?” said Andrew Pruss, an architect with ERA Architects Inc.
City councillor Adam Vaughan, who is on the Toronto Preservation Board, said the TTC should take into consideration the historical value of the subway line before it tears it apart.
“The Bloor-Danforth line is a rhythm of colours that has a set pattern and it’s designed as a piece and it speaks to an era gone by,” Mr. Vaughan said.
“Before we start tampering with this and breaking it up, there’s some history there, and I think there needs to be a discussion held on how to preserve it and recognize it as heritage,” Mr. Vaughan added.
Mr. Grigg said heritage considerations ‘‘are being reviewed,’’ and the TTC hopes it can renovate the stations without offending the preservationists. ‘‘We plan to bring something on board,” he said.
Other stops to be renovated on the Bloor-Danforth line, which opened in 1966, include the Islington station, at a cost of $19.6-million, Kipling for $35.5-million and Victoria Park for $46.4-million. Construction is set to complete by 2010 and renovations on these stations will focus on restructuring, along with having easy accessibility.
Similar reconstructions along the University line, which opened in 1963, are a joint initiative between the TTC and Toronto Community Foundation.
In that initiative, labeled Station Renaissance, St. Patrick and Osgoode stations will be renovated each at a cost of $5-million. A date hasn’t been set as to when the construction will start.
An ongoing $5-million facelift for the Museum station will be completed on April 8, when the motif pillars will be unwrapped for the public to see, Mr. Grigg said.
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Pape doesn't have much time until those tiles disappear and the TTC brings us the sequel to the Yonge line's wall surface modernization. What could come out of those heritage considerations? Preservation of the appropriate elements is the hope rather full destruction, of course.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Here is the March 8 presentation from the TTC:
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/pape_open_house_presentation_mar08.pdf
AoD
http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/pape_open_house_presentation_mar08.pdf
AoD
EnviroTO
Senior Member
How did I get in this thread... Delete me.
junctionist
Senior Member
I'd like to see analog clocks at the bus areas at these redesigned stations, and indeed at every station. The numbers could be in the TTC font, or simply chrome lines in a Modern fashion. It would be practical and add some style.
DENTROBATE54
Banned
CDL.TO
Moderator
A subway along Queen... that's so "outside the box" that some of it was already built in the 50s.
DENTROBATE54
Banned
You know what I meant. In contrast to the rail-corridor, this alignment is a more direct path to the Bloor-Danforth line and would go a long way in appeasing the demands for both secondary east-west and north-south subway lines into the downtown core. I highlighted various surface routes that'd appease the claim that Pape's more worthy. I think any line that brings in suburbanites like the DRL purports to as well as serve the inner city core south of Bloor, is a great idea.
junctionist
Senior Member
It's so out of the box that the web page says "Document Not Found".
JasonParis
Moderator
Not a bad idea. I'd also like to see the TTC move to a 24-hour clock (like GO and most other world systems) sometime soon.
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But in addition to the aesthetic dubiousness....
They now propose the second exits from the platform to go east into the middle of a parking lot, right beside the station!
Huh?
Those parking lots are not TTC lots and are not used by passengers by and large.
So they're going to make area residents exit into the middle of parking lot instead of to the nearest real street! Same obiviously for would entrants from the neighbourhood, first walk across a parking lot to get to the new entrance!
Call to arms! Members of urban toronto need to attend this meeting and fill out the comment form; this design is in need of serious refinement!
Well, no, the proposed second exit (which is much needed, in my opinion) is not in the middle of a parking lot. It's adjacent to a small lot, but that's irrelevant. It's on Lipton, and a skip away from Eaton. It will be convenient to all those pedestrians who live east, northeast and northwest of the station (not to mention will be a much better drop-off for the kiss-and-ride types than trying to stop on Pape in a diamond lane, which is currently what they do). I don't believe the exit is primarily intended to serve those who use the Green P lot.