Wrecked my suspension in a pot hole on 401 exit, is that City or Provincial land?

[Admiral Beez]

This morning I finally ended up in the giant pot hole that is growing at the Markham Rd exit of the eastbound 401. I've been avoiding it every day, but today I couldn't due to a semi behind me and beside me.

Anyway, I am going to try to claim today's $500 bill for suspension repairs against the operator of the highway. I don't want this to turn into a big debate about the merits or chances of such a claim, but I'll definitely keep you all posted on developments.

I know how to place the claim and where to send it at both the city and the province. So now my first question is if the pot hole is located off the highway, but on the exit ramp before the traffic intersection at Markham Rd and the 401, is that provincial or city territory?

 

[andomano]

You could always call MTO or the pothole hotline and report it to find out if it's city land or not.

 

[ShonTron]

Mto.

 

[lordmandeep]

Its MTO land till you make left or right on to Markham Road.

 

[kEiThZ]

OMG that pothole has been there since the 90s. I'll pitch in if you sue. Everyone I know who lives throughout north-east Scarborough knows about that damn pothole. My dad has engaged our city councillor, and our MPP numerous times to get that fixed. Occasionally, they turn up and do such a crappy job that the hole re-appears in months.

 

[cacruden]

This morning I finally ended up in the giant pot hole that is growing at the Markham Rd exit of the eastbound 401. I've been avoiding it every day, but today I couldn't due to a semi behind me and beside me.

Anyway, I am going to try to claim today's $500 bill for suspension repairs against the operator of the highway. I don't want this to turn into a big debate about the merits or chances of such a claim, but I'll definitely keep you all posted on developments.

I know how to place the claim and where to send it at both the city and the province. So now my first question is if the pot hole is located off the highway, but on the exit ramp before the traffic intersection at Markham Rd and the 401, is that provincial or city territory?

Good luck!, I actually thought that they were legally suppose to close the highway if the highway deteriorated below a certain standard.... anyways, again - good luck!

 

[Admiral Beez]

I took a photo of the pot hole this morning, here goes...

Yesterday I was unable to stop due to a truck behind me, so in I went, and wrecked my rear sway bars and one front tie rod. What's the legal speed limit of exit ramps?

 

[Prometheus The Supremo]

that's a nasty hole.

 

[Joe]

MTO or City?

Are you sure it's MTO? Hasn't the maintenance of the 401, DVP and Gardiner been the City's responsibility since the Harris downloading years?

Its MTO land till you make left or right on to Markham Road.

 

[sjc]

I think the DVP and Gardiner got downloaded, but not the 401 which is still a provincial highway.

EDIT: I note the traffic cameras on the 404, 427 and 401 are run by the MTO ( http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/traveller/trip/traffic_cameras.shtml ), while the Gardiner and DVP ones are run by the city ( http://www.toronto.ca/rescu/ )

 

[Edward Skira]

The DVP and the Gardiner were always the responsibility of the city. The part of the QEW from the Gardiner (Humber River) to the 427 were downloaded to the city by Harris.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Mailed in the claim letter, mechanic receipt and pothole photo today. I'll keep you all posted of the outcome.

 

[cowpie]

If it's municipality-owned, IIRC you must also notify them within 15 days of an intention to sue.

 

[Admiral Beez]

If it's municipality-owned, IIRC you must also notify them within 15 days of an intention to sue.

It's my own vehicle, and the damaged occurred on the 401. Thus, I don't think the municipality has any involvement here.

 

[ShonTron]

I took a photo of the pot hole this morning, here goes...

Yesterday I was unable to stop due to a truck behind me, so in I went, and wrecked my rear sway bars and one front tie rod. What's the legal speed limit of exit ramps?

Actually, exit ramps are a grey area. There's yellow advisory speeds (typically 60 on a parclo exit), but no white legal speed limit signs other than the 100 km/h that there were on the 401.

This is definitely a MTO-owned ramp.