nfitz
Superstar
Well there is a knockout for the Bremner streetcar in the final Union Station plan. I thought the last report, is that it wasn't going to be there.
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Waterfront Transit Reset Phase 1 Study
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drum118
Superstar
Like it or not, TTC still wants that knockout panel even though the Bremmer line is dead. One idea was to bring the 511 along Bremmer in place of the full Bremmer line. It will be an operation nightmare if it happens.
I will not be around when I told you so when Union will not be able to hand the ridership for this outdated loop.
Towered
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drum118
Superstar
The update would be the announcement that construction has not only happening for QQE, but all the extension for it that includes the Commissioner line to the Leslie Barn's, the Broadview extension and the Cherry South extension,. Then the Parliament line, The Lake Shore West extension, Dufferin St extension, scrapping the current Union Loop and replace it with a different option, Bring back the Bay St line, the Lake Shore E line and moving to duel end cars as well some 42m cars
It would be also for the redesign of Bathurst St ROW from the bridge to where the QQW hasn't been built like the rest of it.
Northern Light
Superstar
The WWLRT can't move forward in a substantive way until the Ontario Line Construction is out of the way, as well as the Gardiner rehab in that area.
The former doesn't need to be entirely complete....but regrettably, anything here is a ways off yet.
One thing to watch for is the Western Waterfront Masterplan update and whether there is any intent to move ahead with the big Lakeshore Blvd realignment in the near/medium term (again, this would be post-Gardiner work for sure, so 2027 at the earliest. But that work should include a new LRT ROW, even if they don't put the tracks in right away.
drum118
Superstar
The realignment of Lake Shore West does includes the LRT extension from Dufferin St west and was approved around 2010 as I forgot the timeframe for it considering I was on the team for it..
Until Exhibition area is redevelop for GO and OL, along with replacing the bridges over the rail corridor, Lake Shore redevelopment is way down the road as well the LRT ROW until around 2030-35, if that
drum118
Superstar
July 07
The ROW bridge has 2 very large planter boxes on either side of the bridge today. It to stop any vehicle traffic using the Row and lets see what they plant in these round boxes.
Don't have any hope of ridding this line until 2035+ at this time.
The ROW bridge has 2 very large planter boxes on either side of the bridge today. It to stop any vehicle traffic using the Row and lets see what they plant in these round boxes.
Don't have any hope of ridding this line until 2035+ at this time.
drum118
Superstar
July 07
2 Planters at each ends
2 Planters at each ends
ahmedyusali
Member
seems the planters are in the middle of the road !.. is this their actual place ? or they will move corner sides.
beatle04
New Member
This bridge is not actually connected to any roads. It's just there for future proofing
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It is there for the LRT line which will run on grass on Cherry.
AHK
Senior Member
July 17 - New, incremental Federal Government transit funding announced - $30 Billion over ten years. My two nominations for the two major still unfunded Toronto transit projects would be the Queens Quay east line and the new subway cars for Line 2 - hopefully some of this funding will find its way there.
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Jul 17, 2024, 12:01 ET
GREATER TORONTO AREA, ON, July 17, 2024 /CNW/ - Public transit shortens commute times, grows our economy, and helps keep our air clean. For many Canadians – especially Millennials and Gen Z, who frequently use public transit – it's an affordable option to get around. As we build more homes faster, public transit is also key to connecting communities and making life cost less. That's why the federal government is investing in public transit infrastructure – with more jobs, lower emissions, and a fair chance for every generation to get ahead.
Since 2015, we have committed $30 billion into thousands of public transit projects across the country – from new subway lines in Canada's biggest cities, like the Millennium Broadway Subway Extension project in Vancouver and the Finch West light rail line project in Toronto, to new transit serving rural and remote communities – and we know there is more to be done.
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced the launch of the Canada Public Transit Fund, a new $30 billion investment over the first ten years to expand public transit and make it more accessible across the country. This is the largest public transit investment in Canadian history.
The Canada Public Transit Fund will transform the way we deliver transit funding to communities across the country. This permanent ongoing program will invest an average of $3 billion per year to help cities and communities deliver better public transit systems for Canadians.
Funding will be delivered across three streams:
The Canada Public Transit Fund will also complement our work to build more homes faster. Through programs like the Housing Accelerator Fund, we're giving cities and towns more money to build more homes – but with a condition: if municipalities want federal funding, they have to change their zoning by-laws to build more housing near transit.
As promised in Budget 2024, we're applying that rule to public transit funding as well. To access long-term, predictable funding through this program, municipalities will need to take actions that directly unlock housing supply. This includes measures to:
The largest public transit investment in Canadian history
NEWS PROVIDED BY
Prime Minister's Office
Jul 17, 2024, 12:01 ET
GREATER TORONTO AREA, ON, July 17, 2024 /CNW/ - Public transit shortens commute times, grows our economy, and helps keep our air clean. For many Canadians – especially Millennials and Gen Z, who frequently use public transit – it's an affordable option to get around. As we build more homes faster, public transit is also key to connecting communities and making life cost less. That's why the federal government is investing in public transit infrastructure – with more jobs, lower emissions, and a fair chance for every generation to get ahead.Since 2015, we have committed $30 billion into thousands of public transit projects across the country – from new subway lines in Canada's biggest cities, like the Millennium Broadway Subway Extension project in Vancouver and the Finch West light rail line project in Toronto, to new transit serving rural and remote communities – and we know there is more to be done.
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced the launch of the Canada Public Transit Fund, a new $30 billion investment over the first ten years to expand public transit and make it more accessible across the country. This is the largest public transit investment in Canadian history.
The Canada Public Transit Fund will transform the way we deliver transit funding to communities across the country. This permanent ongoing program will invest an average of $3 billion per year to help cities and communities deliver better public transit systems for Canadians.
Funding will be delivered across three streams:
- Metro-Region Agreements will provide extensive funding to support partnerships between provinces and large urban areas with the largest public transit systems, to build the public transit networks Canadians are counting on. This could include regions such as the Greater Toronto Area and other metropolitan areas like Vancouver, Winnipeg, Calgary, Montréal, and Halifax, among others. Funding amounts will be based on merit, with the highest amounts of funding going to the most ambitious partnerships, including those that can best demonstrate how investments in transit will help build more homes.
- Baseline Funding will deliver predictable funding to communities across the country with existing transit systems, based on their population and ridership. This will help communities of all sizes upgrade, replace, or modernize their transit infrastructure, including system expansion, lifecycle extension, performance upgrades, and investments in the state of good repair of their fleets.
- Targeted Funding will be available to support key priorities like active transportation, rural and remote transit, transit investments in Indigenous communities, and the electrification of public transit and school transportation. This funding will be delivered on a project-by-project basis through periodic calls for applications, so the federal government can respond to the evolving transit needs of communities in the future.
The Canada Public Transit Fund will also complement our work to build more homes faster. Through programs like the Housing Accelerator Fund, we're giving cities and towns more money to build more homes – but with a condition: if municipalities want federal funding, they have to change their zoning by-laws to build more housing near transit.
As promised in Budget 2024, we're applying that rule to public transit funding as well. To access long-term, predictable funding through this program, municipalities will need to take actions that directly unlock housing supply. This includes measures to:
- Eliminate all mandatory minimum parking requirements within 800 metres of a high-frequency transit line.
- Allow high-density housing within 800 metres of a high-frequency transit line.
- Allow high-density housing within 800 metres of post-secondary institutions.
- Complete a housing needs assessment for all communities with a population greater than 30,000.
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Amare
Senior Member
Oh great how convenient!:
Funding will begin to flow in 2026, but we are opening the intakes for Metro-Region Agreements and Baseline Funding today, so that we can provide transit agencies and municipalities with the funding certainty they need to advance projects now.
So essentially, with the Federal election that has to be called by next year 2025 and with the Liberals having essentially no chance of winning with Trudeau as leader, we'll never see that funding flow. And Pollievre is already talking about "efficiencies" in government, aka nice heavy cuts.
This is the problem with this government, they are experts at making funding announcements but when it comes down to getting funding out of the door, they're absolutely dreadful. Glad to see Trudeau and Freeland continuing to show 0 sense of urgency.
Funding will begin to flow in 2026, but we are opening the intakes for Metro-Region Agreements and Baseline Funding today, so that we can provide transit agencies and municipalities with the funding certainty they need to advance projects now.
So essentially, with the Federal election that has to be called by next year 2025 and with the Liberals having essentially no chance of winning with Trudeau as leader, we'll never see that funding flow. And Pollievre is already talking about "efficiencies" in government, aka nice heavy cuts.
This is the problem with this government, they are experts at making funding announcements but when it comes down to getting funding out of the door, they're absolutely dreadful. Glad to see Trudeau and Freeland continuing to show 0 sense of urgency.
drum118
Superstar
Need to add the various phases for Waterfront Transit plans.
Need to look for a 4th carhouse location and build it.
If the City and TTC were smart which they are not, the would bump the 60% design for QQE up to 100% this year to allow a tender in 2025-26 and shovel in the ground to get the bypass line in service by 2030 or sooner and let the Union Loop follow at a later date on TTC timetable.
The other thing is look at rebuilding the Cherry St bridge as originally proposed back in 2008-2010 that would see the bridge length increase to allow the current line run straight compared to what is plan now as well keeping the loop that will require some rework. It will have an impact on the rail corridor that underway, but widening it that will benefit the corridor. Could go back and look at putting a GO station there as well that was also proposed.
At the same time, a new EA could start for the first phase of extending the Commissioner Line to where the Broadview extension is to happen with the Broadview LRT included in that EA with provision to allow the Commissioner Line to be extended to the Leslie Barns.
Once the Broadview and Commissioner lines are in place, there is no less than 4 options how the Waterfront lines could provide service to the area with the Broadview Station being a bottleneck problem, It would be a good time for TTC to look at getting duel end cars to deal with a few issues for service.
Options (there are more options than these.
1: The current 509 would run the Ex to Commissioner St like it does today to Union.
1a: The current 509 run as is once the loop is back in service.
2: 520 would run from the New Dufferin Loop to the Commissioner Loop
2a: 520a would run from the New Dufferin Loop to the Commissioner/Broadview/Queen-King/Cherry to Dufferin.
2b 520b would run opposite direction as 520a at Cherry St.
2c: 520c would run from Union Loop east in opposite directions
2d: 520 would run opposite direction to Cherry St Loop
3: 533 would be duel end car from Union to a stub track at Broadview Station by the way of Cherry St both direction
3a 533a would be duel end car from Union to a stub track at Broadview Station by the way of Commissioner/Broadview both
4: 537 would run from Union to the Commissioner loop
4a: 537 would run from Union to the Leslie Barns
Need to look for a 4th carhouse location and build it.
If the City and TTC were smart which they are not, the would bump the 60% design for QQE up to 100% this year to allow a tender in 2025-26 and shovel in the ground to get the bypass line in service by 2030 or sooner and let the Union Loop follow at a later date on TTC timetable.
The other thing is look at rebuilding the Cherry St bridge as originally proposed back in 2008-2010 that would see the bridge length increase to allow the current line run straight compared to what is plan now as well keeping the loop that will require some rework. It will have an impact on the rail corridor that underway, but widening it that will benefit the corridor. Could go back and look at putting a GO station there as well that was also proposed.
At the same time, a new EA could start for the first phase of extending the Commissioner Line to where the Broadview extension is to happen with the Broadview LRT included in that EA with provision to allow the Commissioner Line to be extended to the Leslie Barns.
Once the Broadview and Commissioner lines are in place, there is no less than 4 options how the Waterfront lines could provide service to the area with the Broadview Station being a bottleneck problem, It would be a good time for TTC to look at getting duel end cars to deal with a few issues for service.
Options (there are more options than these.
1: The current 509 would run the Ex to Commissioner St like it does today to Union.
1a: The current 509 run as is once the loop is back in service.
2: 520 would run from the New Dufferin Loop to the Commissioner Loop
2a: 520a would run from the New Dufferin Loop to the Commissioner/Broadview/Queen-King/Cherry to Dufferin.
2b 520b would run opposite direction as 520a at Cherry St.
2c: 520c would run from Union Loop east in opposite directions
2d: 520 would run opposite direction to Cherry St Loop
3: 533 would be duel end car from Union to a stub track at Broadview Station by the way of Cherry St both direction
3a 533a would be duel end car from Union to a stub track at Broadview Station by the way of Commissioner/Broadview both
4: 537 would run from Union to the Commissioner loop
4a: 537 would run from Union to the Leslie Barns