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Waterfront Transit Reset Phase 1 Study

How should Toronto connect the East and West arms of the planned waterfront transit with downtown?

  • Expand the existing Union loop

    Votes: 205 71.2%

  • Build a Western terminus

    Votes: 13 4.5%

  • Route service along Queen's Quay with pedestrian/cycle/bus connection to Union

    Votes: 31 10.8%

  • Connect using existing Queen's Quay/Union Loop and via King Street

    Votes: 22 7.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 17 5.9%
  • Total voters
    288
Join us for a virtual Community Consultation on February 17th and learn more about ongoing work for the Waterfront East Light Rail Transit (LRT) Extension and help plan the future of Toronto’s waterfront community.

This engagement will:
  • Provide the public with an overview of the Waterfront East LRT Extension from Union Station to Cherry Street
  • Provide design updates for the surface section on the LRT and Queens Quay East streetscape between Bay Street and Parliament Street, and an overview of upcoming design work for the extension of Queens Quay from Parliament Street to Cherry Street
  • Discuss the progress update on the design of the underground section of the LRT from Union Loop to the proposed portal location on Queens Quay East
  • Present the initial findings on the phasing study on timing for implementation of the Waterfront Transit Network
  • Introduce the environmental approvals process for the project, referred to as the Transit Project Assessment Project (TPAP)
Materials for the virtual Community Consultation, including pre-recorded video presentations from the project team, presentation slides, and a discussion guide, which will be available on the City of Toronto’s project website in the first week of February.

The February 17 virtual Community Consultation will provide a brief version of the pre-recorded video presentations and will be followed by a question and comment period for members of the public. Feedback will be additionally sought through an online survey, which will be open from February 17 – March 4, 2021.

The meeting will take place online through WebEx on:

REGISTER at https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/waterfr...n-virtual-public-meeting-tickets-137816060547

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2021

Time: 7 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
 
allengeorge said:
I didn't interpret that way. I simply read it as "it's a busy station". And it's true: Union is very busy - I didn't realize how busy until I looked up the stats. It's in a great location, is connected to both regional rail and the subway, and has a direct connection to the airport. Doesn't have anywhere near the grandeur of Grand Central though (or many European terminals). What NYC does have over Toronto is 4 heavily-used terminals to Toronto's 1: Penn, Grand Central, Jamaica, Atlantic.
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Europe casually has 20 or so stations with more traffic than NA's #2 (Union).

List of busiest railway stations in Europe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
This engagement will:
  • Provide the public with an overview of the Waterfront East LRT Extension from Union Station to Cherry Street
  • Provide design updates for the surface section on the LRT and Queens Quay East streetscape between Bay Street and Parliament Street, and an overview of upcoming design work for the extension of Queens Quay from Parliament Street to Cherry Street
  • Discuss the progress update on the design of the underground section of the LRT from Union Loop to the proposed portal location on Queens Quay East
  • Present the initial findings on the phasing study on timing for implementation of the Waterfront Transit Network
  • Introduce the environmental approvals process for the project, referred to as the Transit Project Assessment Project (TPAP)
Stay Informed: Watch recorded our video presentations or read our discussion guide about six project areas related to current work on the Waterfront East LRT Extension. Consultation materials will be made available through this listing and the project website the first week of February.
  • Project Overview
  • Portal Location
  • Network Phasing
  • Introducing the Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP)
  • Design of Union and Queens Quay/Ferry Docks Stations
  • Queens Quay East Street Design
For in-depth information on the project, it is recommended that the pre-recorded videos or discussion guide are reviewed in advance of the meeting.

Get Involved: Ask questions and provide your comments at the February 17 virtual Community Consultation. A brief overview presentation will be made followed by a one-hour question and comment period with project staff.

Provide Feedback: A brief online survey will be posted following the public meeting and will be open from February 17 – March 4, 2021

The meeting will take place online through WebEx on:

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2021
Time: 7 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.

If you would like to attend, please register via Eventbrite. Registration is not mandatory. Registrants will receive email notification when the consultation materials and meeting link become available.

If you are unable to attend this meeting, meeting notes will be shared. Please also feel free to reach out to the project team with any comments and questions you have.

We look forward to meeting with you on February 17th.

Regards,
Waterfront Transit Team
 
Waterfront Toronto info is better than Toronto notice.

After reading Waterfront info a number of times and comparing it to Toronto info, it looks like the extension is only going to go to Parliament first as per the 2008/10 approved EA and the final extension at a later date at this time.

The funding of the final section is the killer and without knowing when it will be in place, you can't put an end date when it will be done. This is something I have raised a number of time with no answers from the city as well how can we come up with a phasing process for the extension.

By taking the line to Parliament as plan, the surface section would be phase 1 as well filling in the Yonge Slip.

Phase 2 would see work start west of Yonge on the new portal. When work is almost done on it and up to near the current portal, the west section is close with buses replacing the streetcars.

Phase 3 would see the rebuilding of the current portal and the T connection. Once this work is done, streetcars would return only as an east-west line and long walks to Union or the city centre.

Phase 4 would be rebuilding QQ station, tunnel and loop with 4 platforms from day one, not the 2 that been talked about and building the other 2 later. Doing the 4 loops now with track work now allows for no more disruption down the road.

Phase 1-3 would be in service by 2027. TTC can take their time for phase 4 which has the lion share of cost and could be spread out to 2030-32 under the current budget plan
 
drum118 said:
Phase 3 would see the rebuilding of the current portal and the T connection. Once this work is done, streetcars would return only as an east-west line and long walks to Union or the city centre.
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It's not thaaaat bad and can be done indoors for those too frail to weather the weather.
 
afransen said:
Europe casually has 20 or so stations with more traffic than NA's #2 (Union).

List of busiest railway stations in Europe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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We could add stations at "Kipling", "Casa Loma", "North Toronto", and "Don Mills", along with the "Pearson Transit Hub".
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From link.

Too bad that the Cooksville Station is too far south of Mississauga's "downtown".
 
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Maybe not Mississauga's downtown, but I could see a lot of development pressure at Cooksville if zoning were to allow it. North of the station is SFH at the intersection of the LRT line and Milton GO. The City could zone it for mixed use high density office/residential. The block between Confederation, Central and Hurontario is really ripe for redevelopment. Of course, I'd say that is relying on enabling high frequency service on the Milton Line by adding additional track. MCC may be somewhat stuck being a shopping/residential area, no reason why Cooksville GO couldn't be more of a office/residential node, with reasonably good transit access for people from Milton to Etobicoke and up and down Hurontario or along Dundas BRT.
 
DSC said:
MODES: Wrong thread, I would say. NOT Waterfront!
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The Waterfront Transit would attract more (transit-oriented) development. UNLESS there is transit-oriented development elsewhere, such as the above transit hubs, or at least slow it down. Until then, we can expect more (transit-oriented) development along the waterfront, that follows the LRT/streetcar.
 
W. K. Lis said:
We could add stations at "Kipling", "Casa Loma", "North Toronto", and "Don Mills", along with the "Pearson Transit Hub".
go-midtown-map.png

From link.

Too bad that the Cooksville Station is too far south of Mississauga's "downtown".
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Is the Cooksville Station actually too far from Mississauga's downtown? That's just 1.7 km. In Toronto, 1.7 km from Union is still downtown ..
 
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Cooksville is off topic and not part of this thread. Having said that, all that surface parking lot area is subject to high density by Metrolinx who own that whole block including the buildings still there. All the land south of the GO station will see high density over time within 2 block of the GO station.

There is no downtown Mississauga at this time with Dundas and Hurontario being the closest to being one.

Back to Waterfront talk.
 
drum118 said:
Waterfront Toronto info is better than Toronto notice.

After reading Waterfront info a number of times and comparing it to Toronto info, it looks like the extension is only going to go to Parliament first as per the 2008/10 approved EA and the final extension at a later date at this time.
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@drum118 where can one find this Waterfront Toronto info?
 
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