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nightstreak said:
Wait a second… so they went through all the trouble to replace “Dundas” with “TMU” yet still kept Dundas on the sign?? What a gigantic waste of money 🫠
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I think the Dundas Street re-naming has been dropped. TMU paid to get there name on this station. Why should TTC decline a free re-branding?
 
DSCToronto said:
The signage is to help people know where they are and the station is ON Dundas Street
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Steve X said:
How do people know that station is on Dundas if it just said TMU? The stations on the University side also says the street but not part of the station name.
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The entire point of this exercise was to remove “Dundas” from the station so if they had to keep it, regardless of how necessary it was to orient people, then why do it at all??
 
Putting aside the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations, what I don’t understand is why TMU is just listed as the abbreviation but VMC is listed fully as Vaughan Metropolitan Centre on the map and station name. Surely if we are going to rename a central station with such high usage we should use the full name rather than an opaque abbreviation that no one outside the city would understand and is inconsistent with our own shabby TTC standards.
 
lead82 said:
Putting aside the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations, what I don’t understand is why TMU is just listed as the abbreviation but VMC is listed fully as Vaughan Metropolitan Centre on the map and station name. Surely if we are going to rename a central station with such high usage we should use the full name rather than an opaque abbreviation that no one outside the city would understand and is inconsistent with our own shabby TTC standards.
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At least they’d save money on signage…

One TORONTO METROPOLITAN UNIVERSITY sign would take up the entire length of a platform wall.
 
Abdullah77 said:
Why should TTC decline a free re-branding?
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It's actually better than free. The TTC is getting extra money from TMU that will make the system better for everyone.
 
lead82 said:
Putting aside the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations, what I don’t understand is why TMU is just listed as the abbreviation but VMC is listed fully as Vaughan Metropolitan Centre on the map and station name. Surely if we are going to rename a central station with such high usage we should use the full name rather than an opaque abbreviation that no one outside the city would understand and is inconsistent with our own shabby TTC standards.
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I really don’t think anybody got a history lesson when they passed through Dundas Station. Come on now.
 
kotsy said:
It's actually better than free. The TTC is getting extra money from TMU that will make the system better for everyone.
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Whats sad though is that our transit system is becoming more and more reliant on private funds to do anything these days, from P3s, to expansion of advertisement, to now “corporate sponsorship”. This of an agency that has for decades more reliant on farebox income than just about any other major city.

Just fund the system properly.
 
nightstreak said:
The entire point of this exercise was to remove “Dundas” from the station so if they had to keep it, regardless of how necessary it was to orient people, then why do it at all??
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It's not, the plan to rename Dundas Street was dropped ages ago.

The only reason the station got renamed is because TMU wanted it to be renamed with their branding. Had they not made the offer, it would have remained as Dundas station.
 
kotsy said:
It's actually better than free. The TTC is getting extra money from TMU that will make the system better for everyone.
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It's not clear at all that this is the case. TMU apparently only paid for the costs associated with the renaming, with some extra margin above the hard costs to the TTC and City (but what about the soft costs?). And we are lucky that the cost of new maps on the subway cars etc... was likely fully mitigated by delaying it to coincide with the Line 5/6 opening map change. Otherwise, the new map costs were apparently not accounted for initially. What that extra margin is for, if any, I doubt will make much of a difference. The contract is in the low single digit millions. 1 million gets you track maintenance for 1 year for less than 1 km of track.
 
lead82 said:
the idiocy of erasing history with renaming stations
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Nobody has played the "erasing history" card for the now-former Eglinton West station, which is far more architecturally significant and, like Dundas, named for a cross street whose name relates to local history. We're talking about a subway station that opened in 1954 and has never been regarded as any kind of great landmark. History will go on. We'll be fine.
 
urbanclient said:
It's not clear at all that this is the case. TMU apparently only paid for the costs associated with the renaming, with some extra margin above the hard costs to the TTC and City (but what about the soft costs?). And we are lucky that the cost of new maps on the subway cars etc... was likely fully mitigated by delaying it to coincide with the Line 5/6 opening map change. Otherwise, the new map costs were apparently not accounted for initially. What that extra margin is for, if any, I doubt will make much of a difference. The contract is in the low single digit millions. 1 million gets you track maintenance for 1 year for less than 1 km of track.
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They also have a program at TMU to improve transit.

Starting as an 18-month pilot project, Transit Innovation Yard will develop cutting-edge solutions for initiatives like route optimization, better real-time service updates and improved journey planning tools to help create better transit services for the City of Toronto. The initiative will leverage TMU’s researchers, start-ups, and more, to help develop cutting-edge solutions to pressing transit challenges.
 
picard102 said:
Except it wasn't.
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Except it literally was. I attended the city council meeting where this was voted on. Chris Moise went on about healing, setting things right, inclusivity, etc etc

Both the Square and the station renaming were announced as one move. At the same time it was announced that they would be giving up renaming the street due to cost but both the square and the station renaming was done to remove Dundas’ name — it was convenient that TMU had offered to pay for the renaming but it would not have happened without the impetus of removing Dundas’ name. Yet there it still is, the whole point was moot.
 
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Might as well include Line 6 as a "go slow" zone. AND the legacy streetcar network & Line 5 when it opens, as well.
 
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