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Councillor Campbell, who sits on the TTC board:

"the TTC biggest problem is the low ave revenue per fare which is estimated at under $2.15. Maybe it is time to scrap the Monthly Metropass."
 
The "transit city people" have no leverage over John Tory. The Board of Trade and the like, maybe.

Probably so, but they do have the ability to organize amongst city councilors, make a fuss and make it politically unpopular.

Tory does what seems popular, not necessarily what's right.
 
Councillor Campbell, who sits on the TTC board:

"the TTC biggest problem is the low ave revenue per fare which is estimated at under $2.15. Maybe it is time to scrap the Monthly Metropass."

Councillor John Campbell is the councillor for Ward Four (Etobicoke Centre). Figures a suburban councilor would be against the MetroPass. Worse that he's on the TTC board. :confused:
 
A 3% inspection rate means the commuter (twice a day, 22 days a month) should have the fare checked 1.3 times a month. I know it's a random check but I have not been checked in 2016 (yet) and statistically I should have been checked about 10 times.
I don't think they'd fully hired up for all of 2016.

The second-last week of July, I got inspected 3 times on streetcars! But only 5 or 6 times year-to-date.
 
Councillor Campbell, who sits on the TTC board:

"the TTC biggest problem is the low ave revenue per fare which is estimated at under $2.15. Maybe it is time to scrap the Monthly Metropass."

Wow...$2.15 vs $2.90 for a token. That's a lot of discounts (seniors, students) or a lot of rides taken by Metropass users. It would be good to see who is utilizing these discounts and if they are targeting the right people.

Maybe targeting the senior discount a bit more. Seniors have a poverty rate of 7% which is less than both children and working age people so poverty is not the reason for a discount. Maybe it was targeting off peak rides (but again with Presto we can have a more targeted approach in the future).

It would also be a good study to understand the change in behavior for a Metropass user. The break-even is around 50 rides. How many rides do they take? What would be the change in behavior if there was no Metropass (would they walk, buy a car, etc)? What is the elasticity in the pricing?

Cell phone companies use to give you unlimited data but now give you a fixed amount because they were finding the heaviest users were disproportionately using way to much data (and they were losing money). Maybe that's what we need to do. We want people to use the TTC but at some point why are we giving free rides away? The first 75 rides are fixed at $141 (25 free rides). Then you pay per trip. You should be able to organize your life into 75 rides a month (3 rides every weekday plus 2 each weekend).
 
Wow...$2.15 vs $2.90 for a token. That's a lot of discounts (seniors, students) or a lot of rides taken by Metropass users. It would be good to see who is utilizing these discounts and if they are targeting the right people.
TTC keeps saying the average Metropass usage is about 70 rides a month. As $141.50 ÷ 70 = $2.02. For MDP passes, it's $129.75 ÷ 70 = $1.85.

So there's a lot of people getting discounts!
 
Thinking about TTC budget woes, I'm surprised Byford didn't mention the King Street ROW as a cost savings measure in his list.

It'd be hilarious if every time Tory demanded TTC cut its operating budget if Byford named 5 major streets they require a pair of dedicated lanes on (very simple BRT implementation); then mentioned the capital cost to paint the lines could be recouped within 6 months.
 
TTC keeps saying the average Metropass usage is about 70 rides a month. As $141.50 ÷ 70 = $2.02. For MDP passes, it's $129.75 ÷ 70 = $1.85.

So there's a lot of people getting discounts!

What if you lose the Metropass today, and are without one for the rest of the month? Or, you buy a second one to use for the rest of the month?

Some people use the MetroPass for stopovers. Because of the requirement that the regular fares can't be used for stopovers... allegedly.
 
The TTC is still the most expensive transit system in North America. See link. The only ones who don't think so are the ones who don't use the TTC, or don't use other transit in other cities in North America.
Apparently, they haven't checked York Region.

With currency conversions, New York City's might be the most expensive in North America (if York Region were excluded).
 
Cell phone companies use to give you unlimited data but now give you a fixed amount because they were finding the heaviest users were disproportionately using way to much data (and they were losing money). Maybe that's what we need to do. We want people to use the TTC but at some point why are we giving free rides away? The first 75 rides are fixed at $141 (25 free rides). Then you pay per trip. You should be able to organize your life into 75 rides a month (3 rides every weekday plus 2 each weekend).

Aside from being a political non-starter (no politician is ever going to encourage people to use transit less), here's why:

The TTC runs service with seats and space for passengers, whether it is used or not. This is a fixed cost. It loses less money if there are more passengers who pay fares. It's reasonable for governments and agencies to encourage transit use, as this reduces/limits growth in car usage, encourages social cohesion, gets people to work/school/hospital etc., and also helps people live happier lives. To my knowledge, Virgin Mobile or Wind don't have to pay to run 'empty data' that no-one is using. The analogy is a false one. Besides, those rampaging users who use the TTC all the time (those rascals!) are nowhere near a big a problem as you make out: there aren't nearly as many as you imagine there are, and the fact is they can only be at one place at one time limits their 'drain' on the system (although clearly Tory's transit policy moves in mysterious ways).

It's very nice that this system can foresee people organizing their lives into 75 rides or less, and there will be no unexpected or spur-of-the-moment trips. If I run some errands downtown, with 4-5 stops, then, under your scheme, that would run me over $14.00 for a single day. Presumably there would be staff with brooms to chivvy off people like me who have "had their fill" this month.

At the heart of this thinking is a surrender to where the real problem lies: lack of subsidy by upper orders of government. That this argument is unpopular with said politicians doesn't invalidate it. Besides, no politician is likely to advocate for radical road tolls (you're using publicly-paved asphalt, citizen! you better pay for it at the point of service!) which is analagous for personal vehicles as to what you're suggesting.
 
By not opposing the task force, Byford can't be labelled obstructionist, and is essentially handing ownership of the cuts to Tory. You want to get rid of the discounted Metropass program? Fine. Mr. Mayor. Here are several thousand emails/phone calls from outraged constituents who will be making very sure their councillor knows exactly how they're feeling. Tory becomes the face of the cuts, not Byford.
 
Apparently, they haven't checked York Region.

With currency conversions, New York City's might be the most expensive in North America (if York Region were excluded).

New York is a great example of how these stats are meaningless. Who is covering the interest on the MTA's now $35 billion (!!!!) debt? The same people who ride it. They have moved a cost of operating the service out into the city tax structure increasing the operating subsidy to cover their INSANE $2B a year in debt interest. The MTA pays out more in interest on debt each year than it takes to run the whole TTC. And it is the service, not the capital costs. They have been issuing debt to pay for the service for years and recouping it through city subsidies. Toronto doesn't do that. Comparing cost recovery like this is meaningless.
 
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By not opposing the task force, Byford can't be labelled obstructionist, and is essentially handing ownership of the cuts to Tory. You want to get rid of the discounted Metropass program? Fine. Mr. Mayor. Here are several thousand emails/phone calls from outraged constituents who will be making very sure their councillor knows exactly how they're feeling. Tory becomes the face of the cuts, not Byford.

Throw Tory out.
 

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