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Transit Ridership Statistics & Tracking

Northern Light said:
Normally I would stick this in TTC other items, but this seems as apt a thread as any.........

From the latest CEO report to the next meeting of the TTC:

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I disagree w/that last bit........... crowding is severe in rush hour on Line 1.......and Line 2
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With the one fare program being successful as mentioned in that report and in here (https://cdn.ttc.ca/-/media/Project/...171af0f&hash=F6DAD1CC076E9743BD0492B61ECFBBF8) and (https://cdn.ttc.ca/-/media/Project/...6807a70&hash=F98AC895AD8214C945E780A7190C94FE), would that program likely be extended beyond march 2026?
 
stevensontransit said:
With the one fare program being successful as mentioned in that report and in here............., would that program likely be extended beyond march 2026?
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I'm not at the table making that decision..............my instinct is that yes, it will continue, and indeed, I understand further expansion/improvement is contemplated.

But the fact that something is discussed or analyzed doesn't mean it will be implemented.

That is ultimately a political decision, and one that won't be made for awhile yet.
 
allabootmatt said:
The gulf between GO and every other North American system outside of NYC is remarkable. Like, SEPTA is a big system serving a big city, and it's just nowhere even close.

And overtaking Metro-North and NJ Transit looks very possible for GO in the near term.

I guess the behemoth that is the LIRR will remain number-one for the foreseeable future.
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If GO eventually fully integrates fares with the TTC they could explode their ridership and overtake LIRR. Toronto riders being able to ride GO trains with TTC fares within city limits would transform GO and really change how people are able to get around.
 
When GO electrifies and goes to 15 minute service on many lines, would it still be considered a "commuter line"? If not, what is it called?
 
nfitz said:
There's only one EXO line that's impacted by construction (and it's certainly been impacted the most). Arguably one other may have been influenced by the opening of the first part of the REM itself.

There's no excuse for the other EXO lines which are also severely impacted.
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Two, actually. The Mascouche Line used to use the Mont-Royal tunnel. It’s now forced to take a roundabout route now.

I also suspect the first section of REM took some riders away from the Delson Line.
 
ShonTron said:
Two, actually. The Mascouche Line used to use the Mont-Royal tunnel. It’s now forced to take a roundabout route now.

I also suspect the first section of REM took some riders away from the Delson Line.
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The Mascouche (Repentigny) train was the Exo line I was referring to as having been (severely and permanently) impacted by construction. The former Exo line to Deux Montagnes is forever gone, replaced by the REM light rail train, and no longer associated with Exo. The data we've been talking about showing the collapse in Exo ridership hasn't included either pre or post-covid ridership for Deux-Montagnes.

Delson ... I didn't think about that. It's certainly not a transit option (the connections to Brossard are unforgivably horrific), but there may be some driving to the new REM terminus - it's a straight shot down the 30 from Candiac.

Still, that doesn't explain the collapse in Dorion ridership - and the St. Jerome ridership. And looking at the figure, Dorion is down more than Candiac. Some 2024 data would be interesting - but given the proposals to reduce service and close lines, I can't imagine it's improved. I wonder what their computer modelling showed was going to happen.
 
Allandale25 said:
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Using International students to gauge ridership feels somewhat disingenuous. Most international students don't have a driver's license and are flat broke. They also don't have family members in the country to drive them to their school. They take transit because they have no choice. I think a lot of them would choose to drive if it were a possibility.

To me, real ridership data comes from people who choose to leave their car at home or people who have a driver's license, yet opt to live a "car free" lifestyle.
 
Bojaxs said:
To me, real ridership data comes from people who choose to leave their car at home or people who have a driver's license, yet opt to live a "car free" lifestyle.
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First, You are confusing ridership with modal share.

Ridership (of any sort) matters, because it determines how many buses have to run, and how often. A rider is a rider, especially when they queue up at a bus stop.

Second, Transport of students is a major contributor to overall ridership for every transit operator. Post secondary is a big part of that.

Admission of foreign students may have been bobbled by Ottawa, in the sense that the scale of admissions was not matched by supporting infrastructure, particularly housing, and by an unplanned impact on the job market.... but those admissions will never disappear. Colleges will continue to benefit from maintaining their current scale, and students (wherever they come from) will benefit from having transit available.

- Paul
 
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