AlvinofDiaspar
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Posted @ blogTO:
http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/06/the_ttc_route_map_gets_the_8-bit_treatment/
FTW!!
AoD
http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/06/the_ttc_route_map_gets_the_8-bit_treatment/
FTW!!
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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
The sad thing is that all this (and more) could be done right now with the political will. We could easily afford these lines with new taxes to generate transit funding.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
That map just reminds me of how depressingly small or subway lines are.
doady
Senior Member
Would have been much better if the map had a tile-based layout, like the world maps of Super Mario Bros 3. Too bad.
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Dan416
Senior Member
It really is depressing... We may not be London or New York, but how much has Toronto grown in the last 20 years and how much has our subway expanded in that time?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
in the last 32 years we have recieved about 7km of subway....(excluding the RT, the extension to downsview and the Sheppard subway) wow. we will be getting 8 km in 2015, and an additional 10km in 2020 though. a much better improvement!
Dan416
Senior Member
Is the 8 km for TYSSE and the 10 km for the Eglinton tunnel?
reaperexpress
Senior Member
The TYSSE is 8.6km and the Eglinton LRT has an 11.6km central tunnel plus a few hundred metres underground at Don Mills.
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Dan416
Senior Member
CanadianNational
Senior Member
A fun little plan, I call the "GNP Plan", for obvious reasons.
Just the transfer stations are shown.
I figure it's a given that any line shown here that's not already planned will have a double set of tracks in each direction: an express track and a milk run track, as they say.
All the new core lines land near, but not at Union Station as to relieve pressure on that node. Happily, they land at attractive destinations in their own right.
Highlights include:
a) the launch of most major east-west lines at the airport and the re-joining of them out near Metro Zoo / Rouge Valley.
b) a cute little 'zip around downtown' beltline that would be really handy, say, if you wanted to get from Sugar Beach to Honest Ed's, or The Island Airport to The ROM, and;
c) a huge collector line that goes directly into the heart of the financial district while flying alongside major tourist attractions (The CN Tower, Princes' Gates, Ontario Place, The Science Centre).
d) A shoreline-friendly Queen line that can get people from Humber Bay to the Scarborough Bluffs in a trice.
e) It can be easily funded by the discovery of a cubic kilometer of solid gold under the existing city.
Just the transfer stations are shown.
I figure it's a given that any line shown here that's not already planned will have a double set of tracks in each direction: an express track and a milk run track, as they say.
All the new core lines land near, but not at Union Station as to relieve pressure on that node. Happily, they land at attractive destinations in their own right.
Highlights include:
a) the launch of most major east-west lines at the airport and the re-joining of them out near Metro Zoo / Rouge Valley.
b) a cute little 'zip around downtown' beltline that would be really handy, say, if you wanted to get from Sugar Beach to Honest Ed's, or The Island Airport to The ROM, and;
c) a huge collector line that goes directly into the heart of the financial district while flying alongside major tourist attractions (The CN Tower, Princes' Gates, Ontario Place, The Science Centre).
d) A shoreline-friendly Queen line that can get people from Humber Bay to the Scarborough Bluffs in a trice.
e) It can be easily funded by the discovery of a cubic kilometer of solid gold under the existing city.
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DKsan
Active Member
Kind of a fantasy, kind of not, but this is just Brampton (shocking)
502 Extension north and 505 extension east are fantasy extensions.
530 is a sort of a corridor that Brampton identified as a future Zum corridor as well as 515. The idea was in the Brampton Transport Master Plan, they would choose either the 515 or 530 to build.
My thought is if you wrapped the existing 115 Airport Express buses in Zum livery, you pretty much have a functional Zum route.
The grey routes are primary corridors that Brampton in that plan wants to be 5-10 headways throughout the day.
502 Extension north and 505 extension east are fantasy extensions.
530 is a sort of a corridor that Brampton identified as a future Zum corridor as well as 515. The idea was in the Brampton Transport Master Plan, they would choose either the 515 or 530 to build.
My thought is if you wrapped the existing 115 Airport Express buses in Zum livery, you pretty much have a functional Zum route.
The grey routes are primary corridors that Brampton in that plan wants to be 5-10 headways throughout the day.
PaulG
New Member
We made it to the news 
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/29/newsmaker-ttc-maps-fantasy-and-otherwise/
and here's a link to my transit page again, scroll down to the 2nd map and click on stations and tracks to change the map.
http://www.paulgrant.ca/Transit.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/29/newsmaker-ttc-maps-fantasy-and-otherwise/
and here's a link to my transit page again, scroll down to the 2nd map and click on stations and tracks to change the map.
http://www.paulgrant.ca/Transit.html
doady
Senior Member
Saying UT is the hub of Toronto transit fantasy mapmaking, and calling it a "nerdy online fan culture", seems a bit excessive. But ok.
They probably should have mentioned the "original" TTC fantasy map.
They probably should have mentioned the "original" TTC fantasy map.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Semi-fantasy proposal:
The track between Guelph and Georgetown is terrible, a single-track line with poor track quality, outdated signals, sharp turns and tons of level crossings. As we want to implement decent service between Kitchener and Toronto, the line would need to be upgraded, but most of the sharp curves are within towns, so widening them is not an option. Even with banked corners, I doubt those curves could be taken at more than 45mph (EDIT: 80mph).
Rather than spending tons of money to upgrade the GEXR Guelph sub, Metrolinx can use that money to build an entirely new rail line between Guelph and Georgetown. It could be built to medium high-speed standard (125-160mph, 200-260km/h) in anticipation of higher speed rail on the corridor. The Electrification report recommended electrifying as far as Georgetown, but if we build this rail line, it would be silly not to electrify it as well.
Below is the proposed route in purple, with the existing line in green.
full size image
Where the line splits off in Guelph, there happens to be a perfectly positioned vacant corridor for it to run through. The sooner the line is built, the less likely it is that something will get built in that corridor.
Once GO starts running electric trains, the line will begin to be used to its full potential. While our current VIA/GO trains have top speeds of 110mph/93mph (177km/h; 150km/h), most new electric locomotives have a top speed of at least 125mph (200km/h).
Trip times between Guelph and Georgetown would be cut from 26min (VIA) to 12min.
If trains also skip Georgetown station, travel time from Guelph to Brampton would drop from 37min to 20min.*
*Numbers are calculated based on Northeast Corridor services between stops a similar distance apart, with line speeds of 125mph/135mph (Northeast Regional/Acela). Trains stopping in Georgetown are assumed to have a top speed of 125mph, and trains skipping Georgetown are assumed to have a top speed of 135mph.
The track between Guelph and Georgetown is terrible, a single-track line with poor track quality, outdated signals, sharp turns and tons of level crossings. As we want to implement decent service between Kitchener and Toronto, the line would need to be upgraded, but most of the sharp curves are within towns, so widening them is not an option. Even with banked corners, I doubt those curves could be taken at more than 45mph (EDIT: 80mph).
Rather than spending tons of money to upgrade the GEXR Guelph sub, Metrolinx can use that money to build an entirely new rail line between Guelph and Georgetown. It could be built to medium high-speed standard (125-160mph, 200-260km/h) in anticipation of higher speed rail on the corridor. The Electrification report recommended electrifying as far as Georgetown, but if we build this rail line, it would be silly not to electrify it as well.
Below is the proposed route in purple, with the existing line in green.
full size image
Where the line splits off in Guelph, there happens to be a perfectly positioned vacant corridor for it to run through. The sooner the line is built, the less likely it is that something will get built in that corridor.
Once GO starts running electric trains, the line will begin to be used to its full potential. While our current VIA/GO trains have top speeds of 110mph/93mph (177km/h; 150km/h), most new electric locomotives have a top speed of at least 125mph (200km/h).
Trip times between Guelph and Georgetown would be cut from 26min (VIA) to 12min.
If trains also skip Georgetown station, travel time from Guelph to Brampton would drop from 37min to 20min.*
*Numbers are calculated based on Northeast Corridor services between stops a similar distance apart, with line speeds of 125mph/135mph (Northeast Regional/Acela). Trains stopping in Georgetown are assumed to have a top speed of 125mph, and trains skipping Georgetown are assumed to have a top speed of 135mph.
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Very interesting idea!
This should be filed in the same folder as the "bypass the Milton line with a new fright line paralleling the 407" idea. A relatively simple plan that would make things a lot easier for everybody.
This should be filed in the same folder as the "bypass the Milton line with a new fright line paralleling the 407" idea. A relatively simple plan that would make things a lot easier for everybody.