jeffreym
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if people wont ride it (at least not in the numbers we want) then we haven't really gained anything.
Except for the people who already ride it....
if people wont ride it (at least not in the numbers we want) then we haven't really gained anything.
No, but if the projected ridership can be handled by the less expensive mode, why not? Is that not the whole rationale for doing LRT over subway? It's kind of ironic that the pro-LRT crowd makes the same arguments against BRT that the pro-subway crowd makes against LRT.
You cant compare Ottawa Civil Servants Bus riders to TTC riders.
During peak periods, the 95 (articulated bus) runs every 3 minutes. In addition, that section of Woodroffe carries the 174, and 172 regular buses (average rush hour frequency of about 15 mins), the 157, 186, 188, and 195 peak period buses (average rush hour frequency of about 30 mins), and the 70, 71, 73, 76, and 77 express buses (average rush hour frequency of about 15 mins).
So one transitway bus every 3 minutes, one regular route bus every 7.5 mins, one peak period bus every 7.5 minutes, and one express bus every 3 minutes. I'd say that about gives you the right frequency for a bus every 1 to 1.5 minutes. And like I said before, I've seen this section of roadway in operation, and the buses don't really slow eachother down. The biggest slowdown is waiting to turn left into Baseline station, which is restricted because of the advanced left arrow.
OK, so it is feasible.
However, from your description, not all buses running in that corridor are artics. Assuming that it has 20 artics per hour (x 100 passengers) and 20 regular buses per hour (x 70 passengers), the ridership should be about 3,400 pphpd.
For Finch West: projections vary somewhat between reports, but the latest Pembina Institute's report pinned it at 4,500 pphpd. If that kind of ridership materializes with BRT, then even 40 artic buses per hour will be filled to the brim.
Sheppard East seems to be more suitable for BRT: 3,100 pphpd projected. Especially if the subway is extended further east, to Vic Park or Warden; the peak ridership further east should then be less than 3,000.
Sure littering can affect any form of transit.. But it seems that people who have enough money to live close to subways or street cars DONT use busses. Also the people who do have money but arent walking distance from the subway often get a Passenger pick up instead of taking the BUS.. Essentially people avoid the bus AND for good reason its dirty, over crowded and not comfy..
Sure littering can affect any form of transit.. But it seems that people who have enough money to live close to subways or street cars DONT use busses.
Also the people who do have money but arent walking distance from the subway often get a Passenger pick up instead of taking the BUS..
Essentially people avoid the bus AND for good reason its dirty, over crowded and not comfy..
another advantage of LRT vs Bus is that if tracks go down its harder to cut survice.. however bus routes can get cut easier...
There is nothing wrong with busses on some routes... ANYTHING not Blue Line.... Anything Blue Line though is routes that are heavily used. These lines should be getting the LRT treatment....
Again VIVA and GO busses are a different animal...
Gweed, Do you live in Toronto? If so where? And whats your bus experience like?
Im not saying that your BRT plan is STUPID... Im saying that because people in TORONTO hate, loathe, detest, buses it LIKELY wont work.
You may be right that it is a good choice... Although I think what you really are suggesting is more EXPRESS buses which BTW I actually LOVE. Finch express so efficient instead of the reg finch bus which stops every 2 feet. However I am not the typical torontonian.. The majority of torontonians buy a car ASAP. I sold my car to buy a house and just recently bought one after years without. My wife and I are not the typical Torontonians. We walk, we Bike, we take transit dispite making over 100k. you cant build or expand transit based on us. We would almost take anything. Toronto did research that concluded that people typically did not like busses but looked favourably at Streetcars or LRT. It doesnt matter why people hate buses they just do.
At the end of green eggs and ham the guy actually tried it and realized he liked GReen Eggs and Ham..... You are like the character in the book trying to get the other to try the green eggs and ham... In this case BRT... will you like it here or there???? I will not like it anywhere!!!!! The problem is what if at the end of your story NO ONE ACTUALLY WANTS TO RIDE IT.
Neither are (or will be) completely grade-separated. Some BRTs have little or no grade-separation.From what I understand, the Mississauga Transitway is being built to be grade-separated, much like the Ottawa Transitway. If that is the case, yes it would be rapid transit.
That's makes no sense. I live close to a streetcar line. I frequently use the bus. The bus stops seem quite busy all along the streetcar line, with lots of people changing from bus to streetcar.Also the people who do have money but arent walking distance from the subway often get a Passenger pick up instead of taking the BUS.