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Whether or not it's subway or LRT, being off of the road is the main thing. If we added long LRT lines off the road like in San Diego or Minneapolis that would be great!
Hells yes.
And here are my reasons why:
1) As a former pro subway nut, I've opened my eyes to LRT as a transit mode. Just because we don't get subways built does not mean it's the end of the world.
2) LRT can work if it's implemented and maintained properly. Other cities have done it, why can't Toronto? (This does concern me because the city's success rate of implementing LRT/streetcars in ROWs is less than stellar)
3) Subways are more expensive to build here because of the methodology used by the City and the TTC. Hiring private consultants and sub-consultants to do the majority of the work, using TBMs instead of cut and cover to excavate the tunnels, overbuilt stations, and let's not forget that there's always cost overruns with any large scale transit infrastructure project.
4) Have you ever ridden on an LRT line in Europe by chance? If you haven't, I suggest you do. The T3 line in Paris is one that I recommend highly. Beautiful trams, the ROW has grass plantings between the tracks, you don't have to wait to board the vehicle when it arrives, and it's a smooth and comfortable ride!
5) Subway station spacing versus LRT station spacing. Clearly, LRT stations are more closely spaced (500m on average) than subway stops (minimum of 1km? I'm not exactly sure), leaving better access points for more residents (if they travel by foot).
6) Better for businesses and tourists. What better way for potential clients to see businesses along a street than LRT? A subway isn't going to accomplish that beneath the ground. And please don't say bus service would suffice because it's just not comparable to LRT in this case.
Anyhow, those are my points. Correct me if you think I'm wrong on anything, but I think I'm fairly justified with them.
Haha !
good try...
Sheppard is a waste the way it is now.
Sheppard was never designed to be that way
Downsview to STC would not be a waste of money...
Hells yes.
And here are my reasons why:
1) As a former pro subway nut, I've opened my eyes to LRT as a transit mode. Just because we don't get subways built does not mean it's the end of the world.
2) LRT can work if it's implemented and maintained properly.
Anyhow, those are my points. Correct me if you think I'm wrong on anything, but I think I'm fairly justified with them.
"The worst example has been the billion dollars spent on the Sheppard subway line, which has done nothing to increase ridership along that corridor."
Yea but a rant in a newspaper isn't going to change much!
What funHells yes.
And here are my reasons why:
1) As a former pro subway nut, I've opened my eyes to LRT as a transit mode. Just because we don't get subways built does not mean it's the end of the world.
2) LRT can work if it's implemented and maintained properly. Other cities have done it, why can't Toronto? (This does concern me because the city's success rate of implementing LRT/streetcars in ROWs is less than stellar)
3) Subways are more expensive to build here because of the methodology used by the City and the TTC. Hiring private consultants and sub-consultants to do the majority of the work, using TBMs instead of cut and cover to excavate the tunnels, overbuilt stations, and let's not forget that there's always cost overruns with any large scale transit infrastructure project.
4) Have you ever ridden on an LRT line in Europe by chance? If you haven't, I suggest you do. The T3 line in Paris is one that I recommend highly. Beautiful trams, the ROW has grass plantings between the tracks, you don't have to wait to board the vehicle when it arrives, and it's a smooth and comfortable ride!
5) Subway station spacing versus LRT station spacing. Clearly, LRT stations are more closely spaced (500m on average) than subway stops (minimum of 1km? I'm not exactly sure), leaving better access points for more residents (if they travel by foot).
6) Better for businesses and tourists. What better way for potential clients to see businesses along a street than LRT? A subway isn't going to accomplish that beneath the ground. And please don't say bus service would suffice because it's just not comparable to LRT in this case.
Anyhow, those are my points. Correct me if you think I'm wrong on anything, but I think I'm fairly justified with them.
a tunnel bored subway which would have minimal impact upon the streetlife above.
Even Steve Munro, whom many think of as the envisage of Transit City, is now admitting on his website that there's several operational flaws with the recent 512 rebuild.
Min. 1 year late & 50% over budget. Any takers?
The TTC and the City of Toronto are completing an Environmental Project Report (EPR) for the Etobicoke Finch West LRT. The EPR will be posted on the project website on March 24, 2010. Please see the Notice of Completion (PDF).
I think it'll be 3.5 years late, but only 33% over budget.
This is not an LRT problem, however, but a city management and TTC problem. Delays and budget escalations would plague a subway project too.