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The VIA concourse was refurbished recently but it seems they don't know what to do with the space. What is the supporting furniture for this space? What is the signage strategy for this space? What decorative elements should be added to make it pop? Instead there is temporary furniture like retractable belt stanchions, movable signage, and lighting that can't possibly represent the historic look of the space in 1927 nor act as a modern enhancement. Fluorescent tube lighting came around in the 40s and 50s... and I don't think it is something that should be mimicked aesthetically using LED lights in a 1927 station, unless this is a statement indicating this concourse came to be in the late 40s or beyond. I can't find any photos of this concourse at opening... but it doesn't seem to have much relation to the rest of the station's detail and materials. Still, even if you leave the lighting, ceiling, columns, and walls as they are... there is no real excuse for the uninspired terrazzo flooring and other furnishings or lack thereof.

Big plus though... the ceiling is painted and smooth.

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I have never seen a public washroom treated this lovingly.

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Obviously there’s a height restriction in the VIA Concourse, however I think VIA should’ve scrapped all the “heritage ” idea and did something similar to Winnipeg Union Station’s VIA Concourse:
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is there a logistical reason why GO and VIA need separate concourses? Maybe if they resurrect the baggage service but otherwise why did they not design an expanded concourse for all trains? it would also make the VIA concourse more open than the cramped feel it is now
 
Obviously there’s a height restriction in the VIA Concourse, however I think VIA should’ve scrapped all the “heritage ” idea and did something similar to Winnipeg Union Station’s VIA Concourse:View attachment 471981
If you took away the column lighting and put a bunch of fluorescent tube lighting in two rows running down that hall... what would it look like?
 
is there a logistical reason why GO and VIA need separate concourses? Maybe if they resurrect the baggage service but otherwise why did they not design an expanded concourse for all trains? it would also make the VIA concourse more open than the cramped feel it is now

The Departures and Arrivals area were designed this way back in 1927, not much you can do about it now. Keep in mind that Union Station served a very different purpose back then. Some tracks were used for mail while others for passenger services.

That said, originally GO and VIA did share a concourse. The arrivals area was also the GO concourse prior to the original Bay Concourse being opened.
 
There's a general consensus here at UT the the VIA Concourse came up well short (polite version).

What to do about that is a different question. For me, the lighting is the singular awful thing; the rest is less than ideal, but the lighting is dreadful. Given the height restrictions, I would vote for recessed LED lights if possible, and elsewise, very low profile fixtures of that type.

The space would really benefit from some colour, the washed-out white of the tile w/Union stone, a grey floor and a white ceiling really is a bit much. Since none of us are exceptionally fond of the floor that might be a good place to find some colour with either nice terrazzo or maybe some mosaic tile in-laid down the centre ailse.

Furnishing correctly would also help.
 
If you took away the column lighting and put a bunch of fluorescent tube lighting in two rows running down that hall... what would it look like?
You bring up a good point, it would be very easy to change the current one and improve it significantly with column lighting and a less brown looking area.
 
is there a logistical reason why GO and VIA need separate concourses? Maybe if they resurrect the baggage service but otherwise why did they not design an expanded concourse for all trains? it would also make the VIA concourse more open than the cramped feel it is now

Honestly, boarding for VIA trains usually creates long queues as passengers are checked for tickets. Adding a few hundred GO passengers would create a worse bottleneck.

There's also value in segregating passenger rail from commuter rail, i.e. in the unlikely event that Union were to ever get CBSA pre clearance.
 
The Departures and Arrivals area were designed this way back in 1927, not much you can do about it now. Keep in mind that Union Station served a very different purpose back then. Some tracks were used for mail while others for passenger services.

That said, originally GO and VIA did share a concourse. The arrivals area was also the GO concourse prior to the original Bay Concourse being opened.
GO actually only used the VIA Concourse for boarding trains, the real concourse that GO used was the Front Street Promenade:
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Modernizing GO's logo seems like something some hack consultant would get paid 6 figures to suggest and the result would not generate any benefits whatsoever, but cost us a pretty penny.

It's a transit agency, it doesn't need to market itself. It has no competitors, besides the car, and no one is choosing to take the car instead of GO because they find its logo outdated. As long as it's not known for rickety rolling stock or cockroaches, anything else is simply superfluous.

100% I'm far from a penny pincher, but Metrolinx's marketing department and agency usage already seems bloated.
 
100% I'm far from a penny pincher, but Metrolinx's marketing department and agency usage already seems bloated.
In my opinion their marketing department actually does great work.

And to be honest if it's bloated, that's the area that probably needs that bloat since they'd be the ones who would have to cover up how inept the organization is at project/construction management.
 
This is presumably the bridge going to CIBC Mark II.

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Request for Proposal
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Solicitation
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Commodity:Construction Services,
Description:Request for Tenders for Union Station East Bridge Interior Connection Project
Request for Tenders for Union Station East Bridge Interior Connection

Project
Issue date:April 28, 2023
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Closing date:May 20, 2023
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Pre-bid meeting:Suppliers are required to attend a mandatory site meeting to familiarize themselves with the Project and ascertain the full extent of the Work required. The mandatory site meeting will take place at Union Station local time on May 8, 2023 at 10:00 AM, Toronto. Union Station – Great Hall, 65 Front Street, Toronto, ON.

Site meetings will not be available at any other times. Suppliers must sign the attendance sheet at the mandatory site meeting during the designated date and time for their Bid to be considered.

Bids submitted by Suppliers that do not attend the mandatory site meeting or fail to sign the attendance sheet shall be declared noncompliant.
 
The VIA concourse was refurbished recently but it seems they don't know what to do with the space. What is the supporting furniture for this space? What is the signage strategy for this space? What decorative elements should be added to make it pop? Instead there is temporary furniture like retractable belt stanchions, movable signage, and lighting that can't possibly represent the historic look of the space in 1927 nor act as a modern enhancement. Fluorescent tube lighting came around in the 40s and 50s... and I don't think it is something that should be mimicked aesthetically using LED lights in a 1927 station, unless this is a statement indicating this concourse came to be in the late 40s or beyond. I can't find any photos of this concourse at opening... but it doesn't seem to have much relation to the rest of the station's detail and materials. Still, even if you leave the lighting, ceiling, columns, and walls as they are... there is no real excuse for the uninspired terrazzo flooring and other furnishings or lack thereof.

Big plus though... the ceiling is painted and smooth.

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Comparison with the space before the renovations...agreed that I am curious about how this space originally looked like.when originally completed, and what lighting was used before the arrival of florescent lights.
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The good move was changing the column capitals, thus visually raising the ceiling, but the new lights have always been too cold and harsh, and the linearity of the fixtures only acts to make the space feel squat- I agree that cove lighting the higher parts of the ceiling would be better, but I think there are some opportunities to add warm-toned ceiling-mounted spot lighting around the column in the lower sections.
Maybe like this, but with pot lights instead of the recessed lighting:
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Alternatively, I wonder if there was a a missed opportunity to add a colar with upwards-pointing throw lighting at the column capitals? The terrazzo floor is also probably historic, but I think it's too plain, and count have been compartmentalized some more by extending the black terrazzo in some areas between the columns, making it feel less amorphous.
 

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