Toronto Therme Spa/West Island at Ontario Place | 45.15m | 9s | Therme Group | Diamond Schmitt

[CanadianNational]

New news from The Star.
Link here: https://archive.ph/atlTz

 

[Northern Light]

OntarioPlace4All is out w/new statements concerning the extent of the public subsidy for the parking garage etc, as well as its analysis of the viability of the spa.

*While I oppose Therme here, I do advise to take any numbers cited in the story with a grain of salt.

Ontario Place spa redevelopment will cost taxpayers millions, group says

On Wednesday, Ontario Place for All said it completed a review of the proposed Therme spa's financial viability.

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[generalcanada]

Hey Citynews try waiting for the actual press release instead of taking their word for it. Weirdly blogto is better than you on this

Doug Ford is in hot water again after shocking taxpayer cost of controversial project revealed

Though one could argue that there isn't a day that Doug Ford isn't getting hate from his constituents lately, the premier is being called out espec...

www.blogto.com

"In fact, it's not just cheap rent — the estimated cost to taxpayers is $650 million, plus the plan to demolish the current Science Centre and move it... is at least $300 million. So we're up to a billion tax dollars that are being spent on this project and there has been no proper public hearing," Glover said.

ah so were adding the science center move cost into this. As if the government wouldnt have to spend 200 million anyway to renovate the current building

Chis says that he heard that someone talked to therme last year asking why they want to build on the island and this staff member said "cheap rent"

Id be very skeptical about off the record comments here. This is just an anecdote. You gotta back it up if you want someone to believe you here.

Other than that anecdote, theres nothing new here.

 

[CapitalSeven]

We see why Thug brought paper bags back. We'll need them. :>(==@

 

[Northern Light]

Here's the new release from the technical briefing held today:

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

From the above:

Included with in the briefing is the land lease agreement with Therme:

https://www.infrastructureontario.ca/4a7d2d/contentassets/84df22e71b7c40b2aaeef94da88c78b5/ontario-place---therme-lease.pdf

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Key bits on parking:

and

This post will be updated with details as I get through the reading.

 

[generalcanada]

Theres lots of detail in there about Termination clauses. There might be a way to get out of this while paying like 30 million.

About the parking: Kinda surprising that they said if the parking isn't being used Therme owes the government money for the unused parking

 

[Northern Light]

Story in this morning's Star indicates that the expansion of the West Island with 10 acres of fill will obstruct a Combined Sewer Overflow outfall.

‘The absolute worst place’: Ford government’s plan to move Ontario Place sewer away from Therme’s planned beach has locals fuming

The plan to redirect the sewage into a shallow channel used by swimmers and rowers is drawing condemnation from locals, including a city councillor and the head of the chief

www.thestar.com

In the story, we see that the province is apparently proposing to slightly shift the outfall, at their expense, the reduce the likelihood of human waste and other detritus ending up on Therme's new beach.

However, they apparently want to dump the sewage into the West Channel which has very little current, and is currently used by many swimmers and rowers. This is not going over well.

The desired solution here is that the outfall be extended via pipe further out into the Lake, beyond Ontario Place; but apparently the province doesn't want to pay for this...........

 

[maestro]

The problem here is having a combined sewage/storm overflow into the lake. Legacy of a lifetime ago when Toronto cheaped out by building combined sewer systems but, here I though the multi-million, massive storage tanks remedied that except in the very worst scenarios. Clearly, if those are insufficient than the city needs to invest more on increasing treatment capacity.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The city is currently in a multi-decade project to try to minimize combined sewer overflows to the point where they should be exceedingly rare, but they have no plans to fully eliminate them nor are they close to completing the work either.

 

[Northern Light]

The problem here is having a combined sewage/storm overflow into the lake. Legacy of a lifetime ago when Toronto cheaped out by building combined sewer systems but, here I though the multi-million, massive storage tanks remedied that except in the very worst scenarios. Clearly, if those are insufficient than the city needs to invest more on increasing treatment capacity.

They are insufficient, and the City will be investing in more storage capacity. The tunnel from a few years ago, mainly serves the Western Beaches.............and still not that well, but I digress.

The latter are also severely impacted by the water quality of the Humber River, which is in turn severely impacted by the flows into Black Creek.

There is a new trunk sewer and pumping system coming to the central waterfront...........but its a few years away yet. Sometime in the 2030s

 

[christiesplits]

I can’t imagine the dough Therme is spending on lobbying and crisis communications.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

...they want to make it so that shite runs downhill. /sigh

 

[Towered]

Sounds like none of us plan to swim in Lake Ontario any time soon "Blue Flag" be damned!