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Toronto St. Clair West Transit Improvements | ?m | ?s | TTC

I've been a UT member for three or four years now. Don't recall ever seeing any major plans for Jane and 7.

Regarding the rail yards. City Place is being built on a railyard. Who knows what 50 years will bring.
 
New policies bring more Toronto sprawl

Lawrence Solomon
Financial Post


Saturday, March 25, 2006

A Toronto megalopolis, 150 kilometres in girth, will be born of the Ontario provincial budget announced this week. The budget's big-ticket transportation projects will drive this outcome through measures that will undermine public transit in the city while accelerating suburban sprawl in the Greater Toronto Area and beyond.

The Toronto subway system, rather than being expanded in the city's highly populated and underserved downtown areas, will instead be revamped to serve as a commuter rail line, extending to a rural highway in a regional municipality north of Toronto. The province expects as many as 100,000 extra suburban trips will be made daily on the new subsidized service, giving a big boost to suburban development.

In the sprawling suburban city of Mississauga, the province will subsidize the new Mississauga Transitway, a $259-million commuter project projected to carry up to 10,000 people per hour during peak periods.

In neighbouring Brampton, the province will subsidize the $280-million Brampton Acceleride commuter project, while in York Region, whose fast-growing population is up 50% in the last decade, the province will subsidize VIVA, the new express bus service connecting communities in York Region with each other and with the city of Toronto.

All told, the province estimates it will subsidize an additional 42 million transit trips, mostly involving suburban traffic, mostly enabling the suburbs to spread more quickly.

The province claims that many suburbanites will abandon their cars for transit -- and undoubtedly some will. But there's no fear that suburban highways will become underutilized. Suburban vehicles will soon materialize to clog any temporarily freed-up road space that becomes available and, to make doubly sure that automobiles don't lose ground in the suburbs, the province has been aggressively expanding the highway system outside Toronto. This is the best suburb-boosting budget since 1953, when the province created Metropolitan Toronto to develop the city's rural reaches, also by subsidizing roads and transit services that weren't viable in low-density communities.

The budget's biggest boost to the suburbs, although it isn't a big-ticket budgetary item, is the announcement of the new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority, a monopoly body that will control buses, commuter trains, streetcars, RT, subways and regional roads throughout the Greater Toronto Area and beyond. The goal seems laudable: to reduce gridlock and encourage public transit use from Oshawa in the east to Burlington in the west. As a convenience to customers who now must transfer from one public transit company to another, and deal with a different fare system whenever they do, the new GTTA plans to use "smart card" technology that would seamlessly service commuters from Oshawa in the east to Burlington in the west.

Smart-card technology is long overdue and a sensible move. In the United Kingdom, where it became most advanced after public transit was deregulated and then privatized two decades ago, smart-card technology has proved a convenience that helps London's many transit companies compete effectively with the car. The GTTA, which will rely upon U.K. smart-card technology, will inevitably use it to overcharge urbanites to subsidize suburbanites. We've gone this route before.

Before the province created Metropolitan Toronto, the Toronto Transportation Commission was the most successful public transit company on the continent, providing excellent service and running its bus, streetcar and trolley routes on a money-making basis. With the creation of Metro and the conversion of an independent TTC into a politician-run agency, business discipline gave way to political manipulation. Politicians began to redraw TTC routes based on where their voting constituents resided, rather than where paying customers could be found. The result was ruin.

To please politicians intent on pleasing their constituents, the TTC compromised in maintenance and cut back service on profitable city routes in order to service unprofitable suburban ones. Urban customers balked at the rough ride they were now subjected to and deserted the system. In the end, virtually all TTC routes became money losers and the TTC became the welfare case that we see today.

As bad as the TTC has become, it is still the giant in the region. The TTC's ridership of 430 million passengers a year is several times all other GTA transit systems combined and its 2,500-vehicle fleet and other resources are prime prospects for plunder by regional politicians. With the TTC under the sway of a regional authority, rather than Toronto politicians, it will necessarily be made to serve regional interests. TTC resources will increasingly be put at the service of suburbanites, degrading its performance in the city and causing city dwellers to abandon it. To make up for lost revenue, the city will raise taxes, forcing businesses to flee. To get those taxes back into city coffers, politicians will then turn to amalgamations.

This is how the city of Toronto came to absorb the suburbs that were once part of Metropolitan Toronto. This us how a Toronto of the future will come to absorb the suburbs of the GTTA.
 
"Don't recall ever seeing any major plans for Jane and 7."

Some plans including a video were posted a while back.

VCC was shown as a collection of Are Be centres in parking lots with a 10-lane highway 7 running down the middle.

If you're hoping that Vaughan will develop VCC as a high density node... don't. The planners don't "get it" and the subway is seen as nothing but a tool to attract businesses to VCC, to be mentioned in the same breath as the 407 and 400.

All I gotta say is Vaughan and York had better be covering 100% of operating costs north of Steeles, like they currently do with the buses.
 
The link to plans for VCC are found on page 1 of this thread.

I'm just thinking... perhaps instead of getting Vaughan to pay financially to pay for the subway, Toronto would annex Vaughan into Toronto, keeping the subway entirely in city limits.

There are other reasons why Toronto might want to annex Vaughan. One might be to stop their "City Above Toronto" campaign.
 
Wilson is a real hub of activity compared with Jane and Hwy. 7. Ms. Bolton and others should go up there and look around. There is no, repeat no, residential development of any kind. There is a large freeway on the south (407), a large freeway on the west (400), and a large CN rail yard to the east.

Wilson is desolate, especially on the west side. Having Downsview Airport on the west side doesn't help, as the runway is still being used by Bombardier, so nothing of any height can be built - which is why the big boxes are there more than anything. If Bombardier pulls out, that area has a lot of potential.

However, several really busy bus routes - 29, 96, 165 serve Wilson - plus other lesser routes (7A, 104, 120, 160), but there's a bus arriving less than every minute in the peak, as it serves a wide area, particularly to the west.

How many buses would go to VCC? A YRT Jane bus, maybe a YRT bus to Maple, plus the 77 and Viva. Viva is every 10-15 minutes, 77 is every 15 minutes - so perhaps an arriving bus every 4-5 minutes in the peak under current conditions, and loads are low compared to TTC 96 alone.
 
^ Hwy 7 terminal will finally five Brampton a station to piggy-back off of, instead of using Finch. Acceleride will likely use it as it's terminal so it will make getting into TO from Brampton a lot easier.
 
I think Brampton should take over the GO Yorkdale/York Mills local buses, like YRT took over the Yonge C/Bayview routes, then the Yonge Newmarket B. The reason? The GO premium fare is a joke when the buses provide pretty much a local service in Brampton and on Airport Road through the airport, and would tie in with the increased Queen Street service. Then GO would finally have to respond by giving Brampton the Union Station service it deserves, much like giving Newmarket and Aurora much better GO Union service (much better than Brampton's, which is 3X the population of Newmarket and Aurora) after the B was pulled.
 
I wonder if Brampton has enough buses to serve the Brampton local GO BUS routes.

I think the reason the service is provided by GO is because its interregional travel. The airport area is in Mississauga and Toronto, not Brampton. So that is the issue there.

Brampton does needs its own set of buses going to the subway though, like Mississauga has.
 
I think the reason the service is provided by GO is because its interregional travel.

I think the real reason is because this was a holdback from the Grey Coach days, much like the Yonge B/C or the Highway 2 bus. GO took over the suburban Grey Coach services, which served the larger outlying towns in the 1970s, such as Port Credit, Oakville, Brampton, Richmond Hill, Newmarket, Whitby and Oshawa.

The hourly service on the two GO local Brampton services only require 5-8 buses, plus a few more for the 427 rush hour express route to Bramalea. Brampton deserves better, and GO shouldn't be in the business of local transit where local transit exists. The Highway 2 route should go to Durham Transit, like the Yonge route went to YRT. The same with the local Brampton routes.
 
Durham has to look into that, since you are allowed to use Durham Region Transit tickets on the Highway 2 GO Bus as well as Durham Region transit passes.

To be honest Durham Region does not seem to serious yet on regional transit. They still maintain the whole system as seperate operations for each town. Its stupid.
 
I'd give it some time to integrate. GRT didn't have a connecting bus between Kitchener and Cambridge for almost a year after formation, and it took some time for YRT to get its act together. By September, there should (hopefully) be some inter-municipal integration apart from the GO bus fare agreement.
 
Where the sidewalk is to be narrowed, Joe Mihevc has also insisted that any new development be forced to give up a strip of land so that the sidewalk can be increased to its original width.
 
Wilson station is fascinatingly desolate...you're literally surrounded by concrete in every direction, even above and below you. There's just enough room for the buses to sneak in and out, otherwise a station at the cemetary at the 401/427 interchange would be busier. The best part is the pedestrian connection to the Home Depot and Costco! This just shows how completely dependent suburban subway stations are on bus routes and how density near the station is often irrelevant. Wilson has the bus routes, but VCC won't get nearly as many people fed in by buses, because the desolation extends so far. There's nothing near the station and no one will arrive by bus.

"Remember what Yonge and Finch and Yonge and Sheppard looked liked in 1974. Very suburban."

Willowdale 30 years ago was probably busier and denser than that part of Vaughan will ever be. VCC will end up both smaller in size and sprawllier in area than comparable sites like Airport corporate centre, Beaver Creek, Consumers Park, etc. To top it off, the subway out there will be completely abandoned outside of rush hour, just as the Spadina line north of Yorkdale is today. The only silver lining is that by going out there instead of stopping at Steeles, the city of Toronto saves about $165 million in capital costs.
 
^^Which is why there was no money for any Durham transit, unfortunately.

It's interesting the difference between two neighbours like Vaughan and Markham.

The FP article is the first piece I've read that gives a negative reaction to the budget so far. I would beg to argue that rail privitization has been a good thing for all of the services. Some, but not most.
 
The Star has an article today about "Vaughan's downtown dream takes shape":
www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs...9483202845

In it mayor Michael diBiase says he wants "a busy place, a cosmopolitan place where people can come to shop, enjoy a good meal, stay for a weekend, a week — just a thriving place."

On the other hand, the city's planning commissionner: "We just don't want this to be a place where people work and play, but we also want a place where people can live," Zipay said. "We would have pedestrian sidewalks, boulevards and stores and cafes and retail shops along the base (of the highrise towers), and mixed in with that would be a high composition of residential."

It sounds like the mayor hasn't gotten his head around the idea of mixed-use -- but maybe this is the start of sane planning in Vaughan. Perhaps they'll even conceive of people being permitted to walk, not drive, to corner stores even beyond this downtown area? Remains to be seen, but I do hope the Star keeps on paying attention. It's the only way things are going to change.
 

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