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drum118 said:
Easy to say Vaughan Mills Centre than Vaughan Metropolitan Centre. Even typing Vaughan Metropolitan Centre is not fun. Vaughan Centre is a hell lot simpler then Vaughan Metropolitan Centre considering its going to be 20 years or more to become what they want.
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Just to proof the mall is more well known than the city. Similar case: Scarborough Centre vs. Scarborough Town Centre - except here they are in fact in the same area.
 
Megaton327 said:
Why can no journalist get this right? Three of the six stations have washrooms. VMC has TTC ones, 407 has GO ones in the bus terminal upstairs, and when I went on opening day I was surprised to find a public washroom in the YRT terminal on the north side of Pioneer Village. Obviously intended for their drivers but open to public, sign and everything. Edit: I never saw this one mentioned online but the YRT "terminals" webpage lists public washrooms "when construction is complete" at PV--while the area is a bit torn up the washroom definitely looked open on sunday. GO's 407 washrooms are listed on GO's site. I think the bigger failure here is the TTC subway map, and station signage (at least at PV, don't recall 407) not showing the washrooms since they're not TTC owned.

Also, York U has washrooms inside the york lanes retail complex about 1 minute's walk from the doors of York University station, open fairly long hours most of the year (a quick search shows they're open at least 7AM-12AM weekdays, and open weekends as well).

So realistically only Finch West and Downsview Park don't have washrooms. It should be noted that immediately south, Sheppard West and Wilson both have washrooms, and Yorkdale has them in the mall maybe a 3-4 minute walk from the platform.

Downsview Park is the only one that I'll say is a bit of an issue because of the GO train service...if you get there and miss an hourly train, there's nothing nearby, you'd have to pay an extra fare to go back to Sheppard West and return (thankfully only one fare as I believe those washrooms are in the fare paid area). I guess long term with 15-minute RER it's not as big of an issue, but for hourly it's not great to lack washrooms. At least when the trains eventually come they have washrooms.
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GO Trains have washrooms on them. It's no big deal.
 
speedkar9 said:
And that's how they get ridership on the subway! By forcing people to take it one stop.
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Learning to switch to the Finch bus and go north one stop would help too.

But if they're really feeling lazy and have lots of time, they could always save a transfer and take the subway from Finch and ride around.
 
Public washrooms are needed for the public, period.

TTC operators' facilities are tied to their working conditions and should be reserved for the operators.

I don't see why we should not be trying to provide both.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
Public washrooms are needed for the public, period.

TTC operators' facilities are tied to their working conditions and should be reserved for the operators.

I don't see why we should not be trying to provide both.

- Paul
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Public washrooms at every station would be nice, but failing that (since it would cost a lot of money), are there really that many special needs passengers (or even able-bodied passengers, for that matter), who happens to be at a station without a public washroom, who happens to need to use the washroom at that particular moment, who happens to know there's a staff washroom, and who happen to need to use it badly enough that they would go through the hassle of contacting a staff member rather than travel to the nearest public washroom?
 
As a line interconnect station there should be one at Finch West. Maybe there is one behind the punchout wall they made such a big deal of showing. Eglinton West should have one in the new area as well.
 
crs1026 said:
Public washrooms are needed for the public, period.

TTC operators' facilities are tied to their working conditions and should be reserved for the operators.

I don't see why we should not be trying to provide both.

- Paul
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Stations should also have a daycare. And a napping facility. And a gym. And a nurse. Or just make each and every station henceforth a community centre offering overnight stay.

Kidding aside, but where do we draw the line? These stations cost a quarter mil apiece, or something to that effect. They're designed by elite renowned architects, different masters for each station. Now that's not enough? They're subway stations for crying out loud. Put a platform, have a train run at a set frequency, done. Someone posted Chicago's subway map a few pages back. Where are their massive Frank Gehry cathedrals adorned with ample virginal white bathroom stalls - especially in their suburbs which apparently must be treated to a significantly higher standard? They don't exist. Just like pretty much everywhere else across the globe. A subway station is a subway station. Step off the train then gtfo.
 
Megaton327 said:
Hah! I would love them to try it and get cleaned up by the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario. Especially since they make a big deal out of claiming the AODA and OHRC would make them play presto balances audibly if they were to display them visually on readers (which is false, as none of the other ~dozen agencies in the GTHA and Ottawa are required to, and have shown balances for years), then something that's actually required like letting people use washrooms would be unacceptable? Oh boy, let them try it.
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Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario will side with TTC on this, but will say "TTC, you need to provide more washroom for the public". If this was the case, why hasn't it happen before now??? The washrooms for TTC Staff is part of their work environment, not the public and will have an impact on them for doing their job in the first place. If you think you have a right to use TTC staff washroom, "PLEASE FILL FREE to file a complaint and see what happens too it. You try doing that at Queen Park of any of the MPP's, see how fast you be escorted outside.

As for the Presto, that not a TTC thing, but Metrolinx, since Metrolinx owns the system in the first place. Therefore the issue is with Metrolinx, not TTC. Other than Presto, I don't know of a system using smart cards that I have used showing balance on my card at a reader.
 
Streety McCarface said:
GO Trains have washrooms on them. It's no big deal.
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Yes, I know that, but per my post, the trains currently (well, as of December 30th) come every hour most of the day weekdays and all day weekends, every 15-30 minutes at peak. If you miss your hourly train by 1 minute, you have about a 59 minute wait for the next train, assuming no delays.

How will the washroom on the train help you when you need to use the washroom at the moment and the train is 59 minutes away?
 
drum118 said:
Other than Presto, I don't know of a system using smart cards that I have used showing balance on my card at a reader.
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Even in London which is much more adapted to fare cards than Toronto or even Ontario they do not show the balance on your cards. You just tap your balance on the pad when you enter/exit and there are no balance checking machines. If you need to check your balance you do so at one of the machines in the tube stations when you think you need to load your Oyster card.
 
drum118 said:
As for the Presto, that not a TTC thing, but Metrolinx, since Metrolinx owns the system in the first place. Therefore the issue is with Metrolinx, not TTC.
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That is false. Brad Ross has repeatedly tweeted that it was an internal TTC decision, on the grounds of those AODA concerns. It has nothing to do with Metrolinx. Metrolinx also owns the system on:

  • Brampton Transit/Zum
  • Burlington Transit
  • DRT
  • GO
  • HSR
  • MiWay
  • Oakville Transit
  • OC Transpo
  • UPX
  • YRT/Viva
Those are 10 transit agencies all of which, to the best of my knowledge, show card balance when you tap on the reader's screen, visibly only and not audibly. Same Presto card owned by Metrolinx.
 
I would be OK with self cleaning pay toilets, or pay toilets with privately staffed cleaners.

These bathrooms would get absolutely disgusting without a full time cleaner at each station. Pay for access (via Presto!) would at least make them available for emergencies and not divert funds from providing transit.

I would pay good money for a clean bathroom.
 
drum118 said:
Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario will side with TTC on this, but will say "TTC, you need to provide more washroom for the public". If this was the case, why hasn't it happen before now??? The washrooms for TTC Staff is part of their work environment, not the public and will have an impact on them for doing their job in the first place. If you think you have a right to use TTC staff washroom, "PLEASE FILL FREE to file a complaint and see what happens too it. You try doing that at Queen Park of any of the MPP's, see how fast you be escorted outside.
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It doesn't need to be for the general public and it doesn't need to be widely publicized. Just work something out with groups such as Crohn’s and Colitis Canada (mentioned in the article which led to this discussion). With the proposed time-based transfers, people can even exit the Subway to use a nearby public washroom (at stations where there is one) without having to pay an additional fare.
 
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