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[UrbanOzz]

Look at the new golden state warriors look at the new clippers arena and others that will soon be build, u can’t replicate that at the footprint of Scotiabank has, no matter how good the location is this, arenas have changed and MLSE to.keep up will have to build a new arena at new location unless MLSE make Scotiabank footprint much larger then it is, which is like almost 300,000 square foot smaller

i went to the new warriors arena and it was awful. it felt like going to the new yankee stadium. just stale and corporate and overdone.

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

I don't see Rogers, or any future owner, building a wholly new stadium without substantial government assistance.

I also don't see the government being interested in contributing anything other than land which they already own. For downtown that leaves Exhibition grounds which would permanently end the exhibition, Ontario Place which has poor transit connectivity, and the Island Airport which has both poor roadway and transit connections. With Porter pulling out of the Island Airport, it's a feasible option but would require substantial Waterfront Toronto investment to make it feasible for development.

In short, I think if there is a new stadium in a different location, it'll be in the 905 near or even replacing surface parking at a high frequency GO station with nearby highway access.

Government willingness to invest in stadiums (at least in Ontario/Canada) is a perfect example of a trend that has changed over the past 30 years. And maybe it will change again but to make assumptions based on the craziness of Texas building new stadiums every few years, or the fairly unique situation in Los Angeles is pretty risky, IMHO.

(And given what's going on now at Ontario Place, a properly designed stadium probably would be preferable. And they are getting a new subway station on the Ex grounds so transit connectivity will improve, If I had to guess where a new stadium could go, it would be on my shortlist. I still don't think it's happening in the foreseeable future, if ever.)

 

[Amare]

I don't see Rogers, or any future owner, building a wholly new stadium without substantial government assistance.

I also don't see the government being interested in contributing anything other than land which they already own. For downtown that leaves Exhibition grounds which would permanently end the exhibition, Ontario Place which has poor transit connectivity, and the Island Airport which has both poor roadway and transit connections. With Porter pulling out of the Island Airport, it's a feasible option but would require substantial Waterfront Toronto investment to make it feasible for development.

In short, I think if there is a new stadium in a different location, it'll be in the 905 near or even replacing surface parking at a high frequency GO station with nearby highway access.

Dont want to take this off topic, but to set the record Porter isnt pulling out of the Island Airport. They're simply expanding to Pearson, for now anyways.

 

[T.E.C.II]

I think these two images really show how much of a change we can expect in the lower bowl.

 

[Translude15]

You can see different angles of the 100 level in some renderings from last year. These are obviously just renderings but the new 100 level is guaranteed to have a traditional, diamond facing orientation. They'll likely ensure the seating bowl and actual seats are completed before Opening Day 2024 and whatever suite work is incomplete, will be done behind the scenes.

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

I think these two images really show how much of a change we can expect in the lower bowl.

EDIT: Translude15 and I posted at the same time But you get the idea...

Yeah, and while I'm sure that's not the actual design, it definitely gives you an idea of the direction (note the darker blue seats, as on 500 level, for instance).
I mean, just look at all the wasted space under the Pizza Nova sign right now!

You can see little snippets in other images too (though, again, I'm sure this is not a final design): Just a totally different built form and slope... You can really see the improved intimacy on the second image below.

 

[T.E.C.II]

EDIT: Translude15 and I posted at the same time But you get the idea...

Yeah, and while I'm sure that's not the actual design, it definitely gives you an idea of the direction (note the darker blue seats, as on 500 level, for instance).
I mean, just look at all the wasted space under the Pizza Nova sign right now!

You can see little snippets in other images too (though, again, I'm sure this is not a final design): Just a totally different built form and slope... You can really see the improved intimacy on the second image below.

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What makes you so sure it's not the final design?

 

[animatronic]

What makes you so sure it's not the final design?

The team said so

 

[animatronic]

i went to the new warriors arena and it was awful. it felt like going to the new yankee stadium. just stale and corporate and overdone.

I went to a Rangers home game last season and that’s a perfect example of be careful what you wish for.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Will the sound system be improved? I find concerts sound quality is terrible.
Was at the lady gaga concert in the summer with the dome closed and It was brutal on the floor.

Highly unlikely. With amount of concrete and the convex nature nature of the roof the sound quality is not different than a concrete bunker.

There is no way you will get opera house quality sound in a concrete bunker.

Another thing to note is that concerts bring all of their sound equipment and don't use the venue's equipment. It's very hard in any large stadium open air or enclosed to get really good sound unless you bring in lots of speakers to repeat the sound to all areas of the audience. Very few bands or artists tour with something like that.

 

[T.E.C.II]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616800105431973888

 

[many7695]

Scotiabank Arena will probably get re-built in about 20 years time. When the naming rights expire in 2038. The footprint area is small but with clever engineering, they can make a bigger arena with the same footprint...maybe dig deeper or something similar to how the Chicago Cubs re-built Wrigley Field.

They will need to be able to add at least 450,000 sq to Scotiabank to get within the size of other arenas and I don’t know if they can do that at the current location and yes they do need to keep up with other arenas for many reasons

 

[sixrings]

They will need to be able to add at least 450,000 sq to Scotiabank to get within the size of other arenas and I don’t know if they can do that at the current location and yes they do need to keep up with other arenas for many reasons

I have yet to hear your reasons. As long as they are charging top dollar for leaf tickets and are sold out game after game I am confused about your reasons. The raptors aren’t exactly cheap either in fact the raptor 905 tickets are often more expensive than many cities nba tickets. So you keep saying need but I’m pretty sure just like the people who say the jays need an open air stadium that these are your wants not the franchises needs.

 

[just east of the creek]

I have yet to hear your reasons. As long as they are charging top dollar for leaf tickets and are sold out game after game I am confused about your reasons. The raptors aren’t exactly cheap either in fact the raptor 905 tickets are often more expensive than many cities nba tickets. So you keep saying need but I’m pretty sure just like the people who say the jays need an open air stadium that these are your wants not the franchises needs.

With the aftermarket sales for game tickets running at considerable % over face value, it could be argued that (incredibly enough) the Leafs do not charge enough. They do not need another arena, they need another hockey franchise.

 

[sixrings]

With the aftermarket sales for game tickets running at considerable % over face value, it could be argued that (incredibly enough) the Leafs do not charge enough. They do not need another arena, they need another hockey franchise.

I think fans aren’t going to buy tickets next year as they hear how hip the new arenas in La and GS are.