Richard White
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LOL If only.
I prefer to fill the Rogers Centre with water and recreate naval battles.
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LOL If only.
I prefer to fill the Rogers Centre with water and recreate naval battles.
animatronic
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T.E.C.II
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I bring up the island just as an idea of where they might be able to build and still be close to the downtown core. They could build at the Port Lands, but any new stadium is likely going to try to create views, no matter how silly you might think that is, as more and more stadiums still want to give you that feeling you're outside, which has always been the one criticism of the dome. And some of the more modern roofed stadiums made attempts to make their stadiums feel more open
Safeco has that large cutout which shows off the skyline
as does Minute Maid park
I think either of these stadiums would be ideal in terms of domed stadiums. If it were built on the Port Lands, though, I'd at least hope it would be built closer to the water.
tstormers
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Here maybe? Would have a view and also near the streetcar (ish) when built. Plus wouldn't change the current Port Lands work.
Even though I would miss Rebel (small percentage of us lol)
Even though I would miss Rebel (small percentage of us lol)
daptive
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Rebel is needed if I’m being honest. I’ll be very sad when we lose our very last super club. And non-club goers should too, it’s a part of every major city.
Richard White
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I am old enough to remember clubs like Fez Batik, Kool Haus, Guvernment, Menage, Circa, Republik and Maison Mercer. Hell I even went to Guvernment and Circa a few times.
Torontos club scene is dead and has been for years. One club does not a club scene make.
Had you seen it in its heyday, trust me you'd be wishing it was still here.
I wouldn't think twice about getting rid of Rebel.
G.L.17
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One key thing to remember with MLB ballparks is the home plate orientation.
When/wherever the Blue Jays build their next ballpark, they would most likely revert to the standard NE orientation to prevent the sun hitting the batter's eye. Currently, we see only Houston and Toronto have a NNW orientation, but with the dome being a retractable bunker, this issue is somewhat mitigated (plus Houston's roof is closed about ~ 2/3s of their home games).
In the Portlands, a NE orientation would put the outfield view of a new ballpark to the direction of the mouth of the Don River, skyline essentially hidden in sight.
UrbanOzz
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i disagree that all new ballparks are looking for a view. The ones you provided do but you're also cherry picking. Look at Miller Park and the terrible Marlins Park.I bring up the island just as an idea of where they might be able to build and still be close to the downtown core. They could build at the Port Lands, but any new stadium is likely going to try to create views, no matter how silly you might think that is, as more and more stadiums still want to give you that feeling you're outside, which has always been the one criticism of the dome. And some of the more modern roofed stadiums made attempts to make their stadiums feel more open
Safeco has that large cutout which shows off the skyline
as does Minute Maid park
I think either of these stadiums would be ideal in terms of domed stadiums. If it were built on the Port Lands, though, I'd at least hope it would be built closer to the water.
I think Miller Park is beautiful and i love the configuration and the glass wall. A view would be desirable but it should take a back seat to everything else.
i feel like the portlands would be the "Mistake by the Lake part deux" unless they closed it off a bit. I was at the Canada MNT vs Jamaica WCQ match on Sunday on the East Side upper 200 level and holy smokes the wind was HOWLING up there.
tstormers
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I do remember this now, thank you. In that case for a proper location to keep the DT in view would need to be West of the CN Tower. Aka...Exhibition Place, or if Billy bishop closed (doubtful). Not much free land anywhere else, unless they buy a whole neighbourhood.
Northern Light
Superstar
Try this on for size............
I hear there's some 'air' for lease/purchase just west of the Dome over a railway corridor.
If the Jays can finance the new stadium, and signed a 125 year lease w/the proponents to finance the deck, you could put the new stadium there.
You could then replace the Dome with a 10 acre park with a good shape, that isn't strata, meaning you could plant trees to grow for the long term.
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In the above scenario, the City gets out of spending a bundle on a new rail deck park.
The Jays get a new stadium site within 3 blocks of their current location, downtown.
The City picks up the land lease from Canada Lands Co for the Dome site, and eats only the cost of demolition and a new park.
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tstormers
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I do like this and did a quick overlay. While it sounds like a good idea, I think the locations might need a ton of massaging to fit a similar sized stadium over the railway lands. Possible to take some plots of land on the north of the tracks to make it work.
*Quick boxes for size, as I did not scale anything from other MLB parks that might be smaller than the dome. (I did cut off a bit for that reason).
Northern Light
Superstar
Good work!
Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree.
I tested the idea of a smaller stadium using Progressive Field in Cleveland.
The shorter side is 200M That's the key number, because there's plenty of E-W distance over the corridor.
The N-S span of the corridor is ~115M in most spots. Finding an extra 85M would be brutal. Even at Ordanance Triangle Park, the widest part of the corridor you're only at ~170M
You don't get any more space over at GO's Don yard in the east end either.
Here I thought I was on to something......
I actually played around with removing some adjacent buildings (which obviously impairs the economics); but there really aren't any that would/could get removed where it works out well.
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T.E.C.II
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I never said "all" new ballparks, I said "some" , and if I'm cherry picking it's because I'm specifically talking about the nicer stadiums that have a roof.
And Millers Park is hideous.
JMSRead
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Wow, I always thought the Exhibition Place parking lot could be an easy backup option if they can't rebuild immediately south of the dome but that's a tighter fit than I realised.