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Toronto Ridiculous NIMBYism thread

And they're not just adding a park, it's a step towards completing a park corridor ... in an area with a relatively limited amount of parkland!
 
I hate to link to BlogTO, but this is so ridiculous I couldn't let it go:

"Save our parking / preserve our community" 🤢

A friend who sent this to me pointed out that they're doing a reverse Big Yellow Taxi.
I bet most of the people who signed the petition A) own homes, and B) don't live in the area and just don't want to give up cheap parking.
 
Not Toronto, but just down the QEW.

A Hamilton city council committee voted against affordable housing on a parking lot. One of the "No" votes was from city councillor Ted McMeekin, the former Ontario Liberal Minister of Housing (!).

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Some notes on the above:

1) This lost on an 8-8 tie.

2) This still goes to Council next week, so its not a done deal just yet.

3) There was a submitted petition to 'save' the parking........that gathered a whopping 1,300+ signatures, the Chamber of Commerce also came out against housing here.

4) It appears several other sites did get declared surplus and those are projected to result in 150 affordable units.

5) What could go here (conceptually):

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I'm not clear on what the argument really is for retaining the parking, when you do manage to get 1,300 signatures, there is a suggestion that there is demand...........

Of course, the parking, is apparently free.

While I hope this is reversed; in the alternative, I hope Hamilton moves to charge for the parking, which may reduce demand/enthusiasm for same.

Free parking also creates the problem that there is no way to justify putting any underground for legitimate demand when its free.
Andrea is thinking of using her ‘Strong MAyer’s’ powers to overturn this decision. If so, score one for Doug Ford.

Update: Final decision at council loses on an 8-8 tie. The parking lot prevails.

CBC Hamilton: Stoney Creek parking spots triumph over affordable housing after final council vote
 
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Update: Final decision at council loses on an 8-8 tie. The parking lot prevails.

CBC Hamilton: Stoney Creek parking spots triumph over affordable housing after final council vote

Another update: Mayor Horwath will use her strong mayor powers to veto council.

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Update: Final decision at council loses on an 8-8 tie. The parking lot prevails.

CBC Hamilton: Stoney Creek parking spots triumph over affordable housing after final council vote

This one passed on Wednesday using the above noted Strong Mayor Powers: (8 to 8 vote)


From the above:

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Lots of inflammatory rhetoric from opponents using terms like undemocratic and authoritarian.

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And

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I support this project and found the Nimbyism here off putting.

That said, I do think the essential principle of democracy matters (the inflated hyperbole above being far too much).

Its always a concern of mine that when things are 'forced' on people, you trigger a reaction. This one development isn't likely to cause that measure of blowback, but there is a need to tread lightly
or perhaps a Mayor politically opposite to Horvath will be elected in 2026.

At which point this project and others could be spiked using the same powers.

I don't oppose the use of the Mayor's powers here, and to be clear 50% of Council voted for this; so its not as if there was a clear majority opposed; but I always want to be mindful that one step forward should not lead to
two steps backwards.
 
This one passed on Wednesday using the above noted Strong Mayor Powers: (8 to 8 vote)


From the above:

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Lots of inflammatory rhetoric from opponents using terms like undemocratic and authoritarian.

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And

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I support this project and found the Nimbyism here off putting.

That said, I do think the essential principle of democracy matters (the inflated hyperbole above being far too much).

Its always a concern of mine that when things are 'forced' on people, you trigger a reaction. This one development isn't likely to cause that measure of blowback, but there is a need to tread lightly
or perhaps a Mayor politically opposite to Horvath will be elected in 2026.

At which point this project and others could be spiked using the same powers.

I don't oppose the use of the Mayor's powers here, and to be clear 50% of Council voted for this; so its not as if there was a clear majority opposed; but I always want to be mindful that one step forward should not lead to
two steps backwards.
That depends - is this issue causing uproar across the wider city, or is it confined to a small neighbourhood NIMBY group?
 
I bet most of the people who signed the petition A) own homes, and B) don't live in the area and just don't want to give up cheap parking.
I wonder how much existing affordable, subsidized or emergency housing is nearby. It might be a case of the locals pushing back against a new social housing project when their neighbourhood is already over represented in the category. I know where I live if you drew a 5 km circle you’d likely find close to half of Toronto’s emergency shelters and RGI housing. I’m all for housing all Canadians ansd PRs, but we all need to do our share. Maybe you’re right and it’s just nimby obstructionists, but there may be more to the onion.

 

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