Toronto Q Tower | 197.4m | 59s | Lifetime | Wallman Architects

New proposal for 200 QQW (look for Supporting Documentation tab):

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That podium is terrible - the massing of it doesn't feel urban and architecturally it looks clumsy and unrelated to the tower above.
It doesn't inspire confidence that even for the rendering they made it appear to be clad in a ton of cheap 3mm aluminum panels. Is that actually the vision for that site... a ton more aluminum panels? Yeesh.
 
Ok, I'm done dinner now.............which btw, was a beautifully marbled pork-chop, breaded in yellow curry, garamasala, cumin, and cayanne; along with buttered Basmati Rice with Tandoori seasoning and chicken stock and flash-fried snow peas..........(just sayin)..........

So, I'm now ready to join the evisceration of this complete desecration of the site in question.

LOL

First off, before we get to the architectural design ethos..........important though that is......the site and building are laid out completely wrong............

Cut this BS out about a park...........it was a bad idea as a POPs, it's a worse idea as a park, and an extra 500ft2 makes not one iota of positive difference.

Go give cash-in-lieu to WT with City permission to start implementing the various foot bridges to stitch the existing and proposed waterfront parks together; don't waste my time and precious land on this nonsense.

Also WTF with the Harbour Streetscape...........no, on every level. Too narrow, and lose the car access. This is one of the more compelling sites for zero parking that exists; but if you need to provide for some form of car access or drop-off, it should be from a right-in, right-out (only) access off York, and onto Harbour.

The notion of a traffic crossing a critical, high-use bike path at that location is just terrible; made worse by peculiar shaping of the path for cyclists/walkers.

****

Now, let's talk about a building..............

We all knew from day one this site would be a serious challenge to do anything economical. Separation distances are a thing..........and holy hell is this site tight.

But this is just an example of wrong-headed thinking........

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No, no and no..........


I realize it would mean fewer units..........but bump your ask per ft2, by moving the hallway to the southern limit of the building...........

Before you all make a face at me about how much space that cuts out..........
Note that separation distance is based, at least in part on the premise of not staring into someone else's apartment...........if the southern windows front onto a hallway........there might be a bit of wiggle room....to grow the footprint.......
But more importantly......from the developer's perspective, there's no money in units that stare into the buildings to the south............there just isn't..........the money is in strategic views north, east and west.........

Make the unit thin and long........like a Brad Lamb bowling alley, but with natural light.......LOL

It would pay off........

Also....subject to flight path rules, max out the height..........with the permission of the City.......pay cash-in-lieu......upper floor units, serviced by their own elevator core than can overlook the buildings to the south are worth gold.

Now.....let's talk design............the original idea was imperfect, but closer........
You know you're going to be expensive per ft2..........it's the nature of the site...

So go bold.

Don't try to attract the many at less per ft2, try to attract the few at the maxed out number.
It works, because you lighten construction costs with fewer walls, fewer windows, fewer fixtures, fewer risers/stacks........fewer elevators.
Obviously you need the real estate price to be right to make it work.........

But this is just going the wrong direction.

It's not a mass production site.

Bland is not the business.

Rare case where I don't care too much about the streetwall and retail, maybe because I consider this section of Harbour a lost cause......

I'm not saying do it wrong.........I am saying that's not the priority here.........do right by walkers/cyclists..........do right by curb appeal and view

Be bold; lose the park (and everyone knows I love a good park.........but not a leftover sliver of land)....

In the end, this is the rare case of Diamond consistently mis-stepping.

Not sure if it's a bad partner, bad advice, or a moment of developers (writers) block.........but take a breath, and rethink it all.
 
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You know along time ago I said something on this blog. About building only one tower in the middle. To compensate for some breathing room for the other two towers beside it. But to be much taller close or at a supertall hieght. But the hieght is not there and neither is the old facade rendering. Bummer ! !
 
The other thing about it, it doesn't seem to really flow with anything else that's there. If it was a sound, it would be a dry thunk in the midst of a cheery ensemble. /sigh
 
Similar to everyone else I honestly dont understand this. To start off:

The proposed "park space" is a criminal joke and makes no sense at this location whatsoever. Sure make a little plaza out of it and step it back so it breathes back from Lower Simcoe, but this "park" is an absolutely stupid idea.

Second, if you're going to do retail the only way it makes sense is on the podium levels. To have any retail on ground level on this stretch of Harbour St is frankly idiotic.

Third, if we're not going to max out height at this location (ie: prime downtown land) I dont know what the hell to say. This is exactly why people say we do things backwards in this city, we skimp out on height in the downtown core but then randomly propose mass skyscrapers in the inner suburbs in places where there's absolutely no infrastructure to accommodate. This is actually so damn infuriating on so many levels, and is why we're in the situation we're in with certain areas of the city that literally dont function properly.

Finally, the colour situation on the tower: not surprised whatsoever, we've been Toronto'ed yet again. I think developers genuinely enjoy screwing up Toronto's waterfront and get some kind of a turn on /high off of it. That's honestly the only explanation I have for this ongoing trend of stupidity. We're well on our way to having one of the worst waterfronts out of any major city in the world. I wish I was exaggerating, but this is just embarrassing at this point.
 
Similar to everyone else I honestly dont understand this. To start off:

The proposed "park space" is a criminal joke and makes no sense at this location whatsoever. Sure make a little plaza out of it and step it back so it breathes back from Lower Simcoe, but this "park" is an absolutely stupid idea.

Second, if you're going to do retail the only way it makes sense is on the podium levels. To have any retail on ground level on this stretch of Harbour St is frankly idiotic.

Third, if we're not going to max out height at this location (ie: prime downtown land) I dont know what the hell to say. This is exactly why people say we do things backwards in this city, we skimp out on height in the downtown core but then randomly propose mass skyscrapers in the inner suburbs in places where there's absolutely no infrastructure to accommodate. This is actually so damn infuriating on so many levels, and is why we're in the situation we're in with certain areas of the city that literally dont function properly.

Finally, the colour situation on the tower: not surprised whatsoever, we've been Toronto'ed yet again. I think developers genuinely enjoy screwing up Toronto's waterfront and get some kind of a turn on /high off of it. That's honestly the only explanation I have for this ongoing trend of stupidity. We're well on our way to having one of the worst waterfronts out of any major city in the world. I wish I was exaggerating, but this is just embarrassing at this point.
I say it many times about the waterfront having mostly bland looking blue green black and white buildings! And that that the best looking designed buildings are outside of the city's core! That deserves to be located at the waterfront for viewing purposes for the public from the island etc.
 
I think developers genuinely enjoy screwing up Toronto's waterfront and get some kind of a turn on /high off of it. That's honestly the only explanation I have for this ongoing trend of stupidity. We're well on our way to having one of the worst waterfronts out of any major city in the world. I wish I was exaggerating, but this is just embarrassing at this point.
Sadly, I think this is more on those purchasing units than on the developers. They’ll buy because it’s a good investment, and because it’s on the waterfront. Architecture quality doesn’t even make the top ten list of criteria.

It is unfortunate that the city does not have the power to compel quality (putting aside thorny questions as to what ‘quality’ is).
 

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