ahmedyusali
Member
There are lot actives East side of Terminal one, I have seen metal pillars are erecting but don't know if this is related temporary expansion
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Toronto Pearson International Airport
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dowlingm
Senior Member
Is YYZ using the infield terminal at the moment? Given how constrained the runways are, it mightn't be a bad idea to use it to ensure gate delays for incoming aircraft are minimised/that departing aircraft can be held at the gate rather than queuing for a runway with engines running.
Amare
Senior Member
Ever since it was used as an intake for refugees from the Middle East, it hasnt been in use.
Filip
Senior Member
Seems like Pearson is beginning public consultations for the new master plan:
In other (and good) news despite the circus caused by the runway works - Pearson still shows a healthy 8.7% ytd increase as of April.
In other (and good) news despite the circus caused by the runway works - Pearson still shows a healthy 8.7% ytd increase as of April.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
I think this has more to do with noise management than growth. Though both go hand in hand.
There is a very vocal group protesting Pearson's growth and flight paths. Any expansion will make this worse. I took one of their surveys about noise management and it seemed like the overarching message was either a) concentration of flight paths over a small area, thus affecting a few residents with a lot of noise or b) spreading flight paths over the region, thus affecting a lot more residents but with relatively less noise.
There is a very vocal group protesting Pearson's growth and flight paths. Any expansion will make this worse. I took one of their surveys about noise management and it seemed like the overarching message was either a) concentration of flight paths over a small area, thus affecting a few residents with a lot of noise or b) spreading flight paths over the region, thus affecting a lot more residents but with relatively less noise.
Dan416
Senior Member
That really is the dilemma for the airport and residents and no one is ever going to agree. The residents in the concentration area would prefer dispersal of flight paths. Those in the dispersal area would prefer a concentration of the flight paths.
Ultimately someone has to make a decision and tell whoever is complaining to stop bitching.
Fritter
Active Member
My thoughts on the subject have always been that Malton Airport has been at that location since the 30's. Unless you live in one of the original farmhouses that may still exist, you moved to the airport, the airport did not move to you.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
I look at it like this. Take the airport draw a circle 5miles or 10Km around it. If you are in that circle you are in the direct operating area of the airport, and you are going to see planes! Period. Since final approach for most landings begin 5 miles from the runway the aircraft will have to be set up, configured, and more or less lined up with the runway to land.
Those complaining about the noise want the flight paths moved elsewhere and/or different runways used. All they accomplish in suggesting this is illustrating just how misinformed they are on how take offs/landings and related movements in the air operate. For example the airport just can't CHOOSE to use a certain runway, runway use is dictated by wind direction.
Those complaining about the noise want the flight paths moved elsewhere and/or different runways used. All they accomplish in suggesting this is illustrating just how misinformed they are on how take offs/landings and related movements in the air operate. For example the airport just can't CHOOSE to use a certain runway, runway use is dictated by wind direction.
TOareaFan
Superstar
It is never that easy though.......because things change all the time. I grew up in Brampton.....right in a flight path, and was used to it. Spin forward to being an adult and when we decided to stay in town, we knew the lay of the land and selected a place to live that was typically outside of airplane noise.......been in our current house now (which is well outside of your 5 mile radius) for about 15 years and for the first few years we could sit in our back yard, see the planes in the distance but not hear a sound....we often heard expressions of surprise from guests about how quiet it was and how they expected a yard in Brampton to be very loud from plane noise......then they changed something and several times an hour now we have to pause conversation because of plane noise......we have never complained (we just take a, "ah well, such is life, growth happens" attitude to the whole thing)....but I do understand why when things change and overly simplistic answers appear why people get upset/frustrated.
We did, however, get a bit of a reprieve during the runway construction......it got quiet again for a brief time
EDIT: here are radius circles drawn from Pearson at 5/7/8/9 miles.....for perspective, we just (barely) get covered by the 9 mile circle.
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kEiThZ
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What changed is continuous descent and departures. There are now radar and GPS approaches and departures for Pearson which are continuous. None of the previous stepped down approaches. These are called SIDs (Standard Instrument Departure) and STARs (Standard Terminal Arrival Route). You might be near a hold or turn point for a SID or STAR.
This is all supposed to be better for fuel economy, emissions, airport throughput and safety. But naturally, it will disturb a new set of people.
This is all supposed to be better for fuel economy, emissions, airport throughput and safety. But naturally, it will disturb a new set of people.
TransitBart
Senior Member
EDIT: here are radius circles drawn from Pearson at 5/7/8/9 miles.....for perspective, we just (barely) get covered by the 9 mile circle.
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I grew up inside the 5 mi circle to the east. It was loud sometimes. A 727 or a DC-9 could really screech.
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I grew up inside the 5 mi circle to the east. It was loud sometimes. A 727 or a DC-9 could really screech.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Good news is that noise regulation and simple fuel economy are starting to see those planes off....
cd concept
Senior Member
Talking about the 9 mile noise pollution threshold. Does anyone know if or when they'll build the sixth runway?
Filip
Senior Member
Those planes haven't been using Pearson for about 20 years now.
They were good planes though...
TrickyRicky
Senior Member
I recently flew back from Chicago and was kind of shocked at our Pearson approach. We kind of circled around at surprisingly low elevation somewhere north of Yonge and Eglington. I don't even know if that makes any sense but that is how it went.
Relevant to previous discussions the flight was Air Canada and many of the passengers were Americans connecting to Europe via Pearson. The flight was crazy delayed by the way and I think most of them missed their connecting flights. There were people connecting to crazy places like Vancouver. Why people need to connect to Vancouver or Paris via Pearson when coming from one of the busiest airports in the world escapes me but anyway that was the case.
Relevant to previous discussions the flight was Air Canada and many of the passengers were Americans connecting to Europe via Pearson. The flight was crazy delayed by the way and I think most of them missed their connecting flights. There were people connecting to crazy places like Vancouver. Why people need to connect to Vancouver or Paris via Pearson when coming from one of the busiest airports in the world escapes me but anyway that was the case.