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DSCToronto said:
It is quite wide (and was before all this work). I think that it may be part of the proposed streetcar loop if we ever see that!
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Just found this in the Keating Channel Precinct Plan of 2010. Not sure how much of that is still planned but then they intended to extend Munition St to Lake Shore and have another bridge! See: https://www.waterfrontoronto.ca/sit...-channel-precinct-plan---may-2010-40-mb-1.pdf

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Seeing images of the VSO performing on English Bay in Vancouver last night has made me wonder if Promintory Park will be suitable for larger performances like this with TSO/Tafelmusik?!
 
bearcat said:
I am assuming this is "temporary", that is the street will be redone once the final plan for the area is ready and the buildings actually start construction.
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The 2024 Villiers Island Density Study says otherwise: https://www.waterfrontoronto.ca/sites/default/files/2025-04/2024 Public Meeting Summary FINAL-ua.pdf

"Why are all the streets between the buildings so large?

The rights-of-way between the buildings include more than just roadway. Space in the right of way forpedestrians, cyclists and transit users has been prioritized, with only about 15% of space dedicated tovehicular traffic. This means generous sidewalks and, in some places, separate bike lanes. Streets alreadybuilt through Port Lands Flood Protection have been designed with low-impact development approachesand green infrastructure, which will give greenspace and trees space to thrive and allow a more natural,less manicured landscape to develop in the rights of way. This design means extra space was needed forthe green landscaped portions of the rights of way."

This Report also has this land ownership map apart from the 309 Cherry site and its neighbours, all is public land.

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DSCToronto said:
The 2024 Villiers Island Density Study says otherwise: https://www.waterfrontoronto.ca/sites/default/files/2025-04/2024 Public Meeting Summary FINAL-ua.pdf

"Why are all the streets between the buildings so large?

The rights-of-way between the buildings include more than just roadway. Space in the right of way forpedestrians, cyclists and transit users has been prioritized, with only about 15% of space dedicated tovehicular traffic. This means generous sidewalks and, in some places, separate bike lanes. Streets alreadybuilt through Port Lands Flood Protection have been designed with low-impact development approachesand green infrastructure, which will give greenspace and trees space to thrive and allow a more natural,less manicured landscape to develop in the rights of way. This design means extra space was needed forthe green landscaped portions of the rights of way."

This Report also has this land ownership map apart from the 309 Cherry site and its neighbours, all is public land.

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And also more detail

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Okay, so I am assuming Munition Street is wide for the streetcar loop. I don't see "generous" sidewalks or any evidence of bike infrastructure in the photo you posted. In fact the sidewalks look on the low end of acceptable width. I'll wait to see the final product but what I see so far does not inspire confidence lol.

I also like how it says 15% only will be dedicated to vehicular traffic, this better not be a roundabout way of not counting on street parking as roadway width being dedicated to cars. Imho in a new neighborhood like this there should be zero on street parking, and instead a central parking structure.

Also I can't tell if those are newly poured curbs on Villiers Street, but they appear to be in the exact same location as in the past, with the weird median that had the disused railway tracks. Why on Earth would they keep that median if that's the final configuration ☹️.
 
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bearcat said:
Okay, so I am assuming Munition Street is wide for the streetcar loop. I don't see "generous" sidewalks or any evidence of bike infrastructure in the photo you posted. In fact the sidewalks look on the low end of acceptable width. I'll wait to see the final product but what I see so far does not inspire confidence lol.

I also like how it says 15% only will be dedicated to vehicular traffic, this better not be a roundabout way of not counting on street parking as roadway width being dedicated to cars. Imho in a new neighborhood like this there should be zero on street parking, and instead a central parking structure.

Also I can't tell if those are newly poured curbs on Villiers Street, but they appear to be in the exact same location as in the past, with the weird median that had the disused railway tracks. Why on Earth would they keep that median if that's the final configuration ☹️.
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My assumption is that these are the final widths of the ROW, when buildings replace parking lots, I assume they will be set well back from the ROW to allow for wider sidewalks, greenery etc. From the renderings, Villiers will have a large, green, median. I guess we will have to wait and see .....
 
DSCToronto said:
The 2024 Villiers Island Density Study says otherwise: https://www.waterfrontoronto.ca/sites/default/files/2025-04/2024 Public Meeting Summary FINAL-ua.pdf

"Why are all the streets between the buildings so large?

The rights-of-way between the buildings include more than just roadway. Space in the right of way forpedestrians, cyclists and transit users has been prioritized, with only about 15% of space dedicated tovehicular traffic. This means generous sidewalks and, in some places, separate bike lanes. Streets alreadybuilt through Port Lands Flood Protection have been designed with low-impact development approachesand green infrastructure, which will give greenspace and trees space to thrive and allow a more natural,less manicured landscape to develop in the rights of way. This design means extra space was needed forthe green landscaped portions of the rights of way."

This Report also has this land ownership map apart from the 309 Cherry site and its neighbours, all is public land.

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Would it be correct to say that these street layouts will definitely change as a result of the SLA and Allies & Morrison design project? That is what I understood from Alex Bozokovic's article in the Globe and Mail.

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bearcat said:
Okay, so I am assuming Munition Street is wide for the streetcar loop. I don't see "generous" sidewalks or any evidence of bike infrastructure in the photo you posted. In fact the sidewalks look on the low end of acceptable width. I'll wait to see the final product but what I see so far does not inspire confidence lol.

I also like how it says 15% only will be dedicated to vehicular traffic, this better not be a roundabout way of not counting on street parking as roadway width being dedicated to cars. Imho in a new neighborhood like this there should be zero on street parking, and instead a central parking structure.

Also I can't tell if those are newly poured curbs on Villiers Street, but they appear to be in the exact same location as in the past, with the weird median that had the disused railway tracks. Why on Earth would they keep that median if that's the final configuration ☹️.
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I'm not sure about a central parking structure. I would much prefer limited on street parking, similar to other dense neighbourhoods. A parking structure makes me think of something suburban at a mall or amusement park, or god forbid the one proposed at Ontario Place. What do you see as the benefit of a parking structure vs limited on street parking?
 
Dinamo5 said:
They have ocean fed pools, why not lake fed pools along the lake shore area and these new islands. Bondi beach, Dubrovnik has a natural one. Migh be an idea. Paris is doing it in their river. View attachment 664423
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Future plans for Parliament slip included floating pools. Will we see them in our lifetime? Who knows at the rate things are progressing
 
dob467 said:
I'm not sure about a central parking structure. I would much prefer limited on street parking, similar to other dense neighbourhoods. A parking structure makes me think of something suburban at a mall or amusement park, or god forbid the one proposed at Ontario Place. What do you see as the benefit of a parking structure vs limited on street parking?
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The benefit is more space for sidewalks and bike infrastructure and trees.

I am also not suggesting a massive parking garage to entice people to park, but rather something small that would replace the few hundred potential on street parking spots that I suggest are not built.

Kensington Market has a parking garage (https://maps.app.goo.gl/nbSLCgeai9GKjW1UA?g_st=ac) and it doesn't feel suburban. My condo building in the heart of downtown has 8 levels of parking (4 commercial and 4 for residents) and the area around it also doesn't feel suburban. There are ways to integrate parking garages into a neighborhood and make them not stand out, like by using the first floor as retail, or having residential on top, or both.
 
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