AlvinofDiaspar
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That's the J wing - the only part of the existing hospital that will remain after the redevelopment.
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That's the J wing - the only part of the existing hospital that will remain after the redevelopment.
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drum118
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Dec 10
The new parking structure is now open with the light off for the old one as well material/flashing removed from it. All the surface parking lot east of the driveway for the other surface lot is gone and fence off.
I guess we will see the end to the old parking structure either this week or next week once the cutters get to it.
Will have to find some time to get shots of the area ASP before the the parking structure start coming down. Too foggy to do it today
The new parking structure is now open with the light off for the old one as well material/flashing removed from it. All the surface parking lot east of the driveway for the other surface lot is gone and fence off.
I guess we will see the end to the old parking structure either this week or next week once the cutters get to it.
Will have to find some time to get shots of the area ASP before the the parking structure start coming down. Too foggy to do it today
drum118
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Dec 12
Had a look at the site from the Parking Structure today and it will be an issue getting shots from it. There id security personnel at the elevator areas and not happy taking shots through the window and it is a no no shooting from the outside area as well the fence doesn't help.
There is also parking personnel up there as well
No idea what the other 7 levels look like, but the 8 level was 75% full at 9:30am. Can't recall if it is 4 or 6 elevators, but they hold 25 people and fast ride. There is a surface parking lot of the west side of the hospital and even then, I expect there will be a need to build the next phase of the structure which is not possible until the building beside it is torn down. Don't know if another floor or 2 can be added to this structure.
One floor of the structure is for staff.
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Had a look at the site from the Parking Structure today and it will be an issue getting shots from it. There id security personnel at the elevator areas and not happy taking shots through the window and it is a no no shooting from the outside area as well the fence doesn't help.
There is also parking personnel up there as well
No idea what the other 7 levels look like, but the 8 level was 75% full at 9:30am. Can't recall if it is 4 or 6 elevators, but they hold 25 people and fast ride. There is a surface parking lot of the west side of the hospital and even then, I expect there will be a need to build the next phase of the structure which is not possible until the building beside it is torn down. Don't know if another floor or 2 can be added to this structure.
One floor of the structure is for staff.
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Tim MacDonald
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December 27th 2024.
drum118
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Tim MacDonald
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Flew over the garage today and man that thing is almost gone. Photos to follow in about a week or so once I clear the existing backlog of shots.
Northern Light
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Missed this post earlier.
The largest part of the issue here can be summed up in two words: One Bidder.
That should automatically halt any tendering process, almost always, and certainly on a project of this scale, that the province went forward with a single bidder is just inexcusable.
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The rest is the usual issue with P3s in general (financing costs in particular) but also, the added complexity from bundling building maintenance (its adding the finance, and maintenance requirements that eliminate most bidders, thereby inflating costs).
Ontario needs to spike this building model entirely, forthwith.
drum118
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There was 2 bidders with EllisDon being the winner. Due to Bonding issues, PCL came in as a joint venture to deal with the bonding issue. EllisDon has replaced PCL as the largest contractor in Canada that now has deep pockets to handle all the P3 contracts they have at this time. You see their name all over the place these days.
EllisDon is doing at least 4 hospital at this time
As of January 13, haft of the parking structure is down that saw work take place on it on January 2nd. Photos to follow
P3 has become a real problem today as it leaves a lot of contractors on the sideline that don't have deep pockets to cover the 30 year contracts.
Dan416
Senior Member
$4 billion over budget is legit insane. For a single hospital, $16 billion. That's just crazy.
rbt
Senior Member
That includes 30 years maintenance and financing in future dollars; these components will be at least half that price.
Tim MacDonald
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Photos have been posted on my BlueSky account for those interested.
alexb
Active Member
Wasn't it a joint-venture the whole time? Alongside Ottawa Civic. The issue with these large projects is that the main headline contractor doesn't even matter, the contracts M+E are also so large that there is only 1 player for them as well. I spoke to someone close on this Project and they mentioned they had to absorb the entire drywall labour market to service the Project and basically accept any and all quotes.
The media and AG didnt even pick up that CAMH 1D (PCL) and the Queensway (ED) site were also sole-bidder and its hard not to conclude that they didnt just say we'll take 1 each rather than competing on both.
Keep in mind this project is twice the size of recent projects like Niagara or Cortelluci and economies of scale doesnt necessarily always work especially if its fixed price like these.
drum118
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I have no idea if the bid was joint or not since I never follow the bidding process other than what I was told.
Since EllisDon and PCL are the 2 largest contractors in Canada that I know of and the size of the project as well cost, not surprising to see one bid for this project. ED is doing Niagara and the Queensway as well numerous other projects, projects like this one that it doesn't take much to to reach your bonding limit, cash flow and finding subtrades to work on them. When you are financing these projects for 20-30 years down the road, it becomes a guessing game as what the final cost will be with so many unknowns regardless of previous track records and only have to look at what COVID 19 did to everything. As workers age out, there not as many younger ones replacing them and it will get worse until about 2040-50, if then.
Jan 19
Parking structure is basely down with one stairwell still up and and various stub sections of the other ones along with the breaking up of all the beams that are pile up. Photos to follow.
Jan 13
Was planning on getting some shots of the north side later in the day, but got up with lack of time and daylight.
drum118
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Jan 19
Lot More up on my site
Lot More up on my site