thecharioteer
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Toronto Massey Tower Condos | 206.95m | 60s | MOD Developments | Hariri Pontarini
Youranthony1
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Completely agree, however, the other sides are great so I hope it does get built.
travis3000
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I think this one will surprise. I have high hopes that it will turn out very appealing visually and impress most people. Yonge St is in bad need of tall buildings. One Bloor and Aura are helping but there needs to be way more. With Massey Tower, the new proposal over Eaton Centre, and the massive 1-7 Yonge St project... it has the potential to really beef up the street.
Big Daddy
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The "building" may look OK but the units SUCK!!
In this second unit the "room" affectionately called "Sleep/live/cook/dine" it says it is 13 feet by 20 feet - in reality the counter in the "cook" wing, takes up 2 if those feet so it's really 11 feet by "20" feet.
That's 220 feet of "useable" space
And the victim (tenant) will have one 2 foot wide closet for his/her storage needs.
Sorry but this is ridiculous.
In this second unit the "room" affectionately called "Sleep/live/cook/dine" it says it is 13 feet by 20 feet - in reality the counter in the "cook" wing, takes up 2 if those feet so it's really 11 feet by "20" feet.
That's 220 feet of "useable" space
And the victim (tenant) will have one 2 foot wide closet for his/her storage needs.
Sorry but this is ridiculous.
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Bayer
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Architecture is one thing, and urban planning is another. I'm not a specialist in either of those disciplines, but there are too many new buildings with such minuscule units. That they sell is irrelevant - how many owner-occupants buy them? That's what I would want to know.
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DarkSideDenizen
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I'm happy to see they have broken up the wavy white balconies on one side. Once there are another six or eight similar buildings in our skyline all using the same tired scheme, we'll be appreciative for the architects foresight.
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I'm all for micro-living, but those small units are bad not b/c they're small, but b/c they're atrociously planned. Guests have to walk past my bed to use the one bathroom?
Nuh uh.
Nuh uh.
thecharioteer
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Remember that separate bed areas are shown for marketing purposes, as opposed to the old days where the LR sofa was a pull-out bed. Imagining any of these studios designed as one big LR makes them much more livable, but many people prefer a sleeping alcove.
DtTO
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I do hope it gets built because overall, it's an ok building. However, I definitely do think that the architecture is heavily hyped. It's a wall of spandrel and some wavy fritted balconies. I would argue that the top of Aura is much more attractive than this (from what I've seen so far).
ProjectEnd
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And you'd be wrong every time.
Big Daddy
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I don't care if this one gets built - the units are atrocious and despite the Massey hall improvements, this is not a great project.
It's probably a good thing that things are slowing down, perhaps developers will have to try harder in the future.
It's probably a good thing that things are slowing down, perhaps developers will have to try harder in the future.
SP!RE
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I still think a well-conceived mid-rise design would have been more interesting than a point tower at this location, but that said, the tower's form is attractive enough.
I still think the dinky (compared to the bank beside it), tacked-on retail unit at grade is a bit awkward and bears no relation to the point tower. The old bank is also not incorporated into the tower in any engaging way, architecturally, which I think is strange and a missed opportunity given it is part of the tower (its lobby).
I would have loved for the bank building to serve as a retail unit or restaurant, with the lobby being constructed where the retail unit is intended to go. I realize for marketing purposes and $$$ the developer wanted residents to have the bank building as their own, but I would have thought that a retail unit in that bank could go for a pretty hefty rent/lease cost. Then again, it is Yonge Street. Again, I realize financially it's not a surprise the developer would use the bank as a lobby, I just wish it had been retail instead, and I wish the tower didn't tower ABOVE the old bank building but rather engaged it somehow.
Just some thoughts
I still think the dinky (compared to the bank beside it), tacked-on retail unit at grade is a bit awkward and bears no relation to the point tower. The old bank is also not incorporated into the tower in any engaging way, architecturally, which I think is strange and a missed opportunity given it is part of the tower (its lobby).
I would have loved for the bank building to serve as a retail unit or restaurant, with the lobby being constructed where the retail unit is intended to go. I realize for marketing purposes and $$$ the developer wanted residents to have the bank building as their own, but I would have thought that a retail unit in that bank could go for a pretty hefty rent/lease cost. Then again, it is Yonge Street. Again, I realize financially it's not a surprise the developer would use the bank as a lobby, I just wish it had been retail instead, and I wish the tower didn't tower ABOVE the old bank building but rather engaged it somehow.
Just some thoughts
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kweku
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Does every building need a retail component? Sometimes I think some people go too far in expecting a retail in every condo.
Having a luxury condo with a lobby to rival that of a high-end hotel should be encouraged in the core.
For the prices of these units, I would like to have private lobby if I could afford them as opposed to sharing my entrance with shoppers.
Having a luxury condo with a lobby to rival that of a high-end hotel should be encouraged in the core.
For the prices of these units, I would like to have private lobby if I could afford them as opposed to sharing my entrance with shoppers.
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SP!RE
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Nobody is suggesting that residents share an entrance with retail. Retail units would be separate and face the street with their own entrances.
Also, I am not sure why "Having a luxley (sic?) condo with a lobby to rival that of a high-end hotel should be encouraged in the core." In what way does that serve the needs of the city and improve the city as a whole? I can see why developers would do it, but it's not something that the City benefits from.
As for "expecting" retail, this tower will have retail because of its location on Yonge street in a busy shopping and entertainment district (Downtown Yonge BIA). I was not suggesting that more retail is needed, but rather suggesting that the retail portion be in the old bank building which would give more of the public (at least those with expendable money to shop/dine) access to its history, as opposed to only the condo dwellers who purchase in the building.
Also, I am not sure why "Having a luxley (sic?) condo with a lobby to rival that of a high-end hotel should be encouraged in the core." In what way does that serve the needs of the city and improve the city as a whole? I can see why developers would do it, but it's not something that the City benefits from.
As for "expecting" retail, this tower will have retail because of its location on Yonge street in a busy shopping and entertainment district (Downtown Yonge BIA). I was not suggesting that more retail is needed, but rather suggesting that the retail portion be in the old bank building which would give more of the public (at least those with expendable money to shop/dine) access to its history, as opposed to only the condo dwellers who purchase in the building.