Mississauga Hurontario-Main Line 10 LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

[Mercury]

"Fairview" stop is named for the neighbourhood and not the street. That said, it's more like 300m from Fairview Rd. to Central Parkway, and should be under 4 minutes to walk unless you're going real slow.

 

[drum118]

"Fairview" stop is named for the neighbourhood and not the street. That said, it's more like 300m from Fairview Rd. to Central Parkway, and should be under 4 minutes to walk unless you're going real slow.

The distance from Fairview to Central Pkwy is one thing if you live on Hurontario St, but it is a different story if you live on either side of it. Because of Cal-du-sacs and ring road, that distance is close to 1500m plus and a long walking distance for any stop. The side streets provide the bulk of ridership.

ML has looked only at east-west bus routes to service stops and has not looked at ridership for various existing stops that have no bus service for east-west stop. Elm sees far more ridership than CP every will just like Kingsbridge along with a few other locations and ML chose not to put stops there or moved a few others to be even space. Elm has the 3 & 8 routes on it. If that happen, there would be a plan stop at Fairview.

Right now, the 2 stops between John St and Fairview are gone that where service by the residents on the side streets that now have to walk either to John St or CP stop and that is more than 4 minutes walking distance.

I live 12 minutes from Hurontario and Elm with Elm and CP have a hill to climb and that walk to the CP platform is close to 16 minutes and subject to traffic light timing once the line is in service. I walk a lot and it no big deal except from November to April when the weather is poor. Even Fairview east has a hill to Hurontario as well other walkways.

Everyone keeps talking about able body people walking to these stops as easy walking, but what about the person with a walker, cane, are slow walker for various reasons, the person pushing a stroller with children in tow or the person pulling a shopping cart??? Transit is not for able body riders, but all type of riders and that seems to be lost on planners and people who want speed and longer distance between stops. I known someone who used to work for TTC management and was shock how hard it was to get around the system when they had a hip replacement and forced to use a walker for a year that they change their tune on many things and push for better access for everyone.

 

[Dan416]

The distance from Fairview to Central Pkwy is one thing if you live on Hurontario St, but it is a different story if you live on either side of it. Because of Cal-du-sacs and ring road, that distance is close to 1500m plus and a long walking distance for any stop. The side streets provide the bulk of ridership.

ML has looked only at east-west bus routes to service stops and has not looked at ridership for various existing stops that have no bus service for east-west stop. Elm sees far more ridership than CP every will just like Kingsbridge along with a few other locations and ML chose not to put stops there or moved a few others to be even space. Elm has the 3 & 8 routes on it. If that happen, there would be a plan stop at Fairview.

Right now, the 2 stops between John St and Fairview are gone that where service by the residents on the side streets that now have to walk either to John St or CP stop and that is more than 4 minutes walking distance.

I live 12 minutes from Hurontario and Elm with Elm and CP have a hill to climb and that walk to the CP platform is close to 16 minutes and subject to traffic light timing once the line is in service. I walk a lot and it no big deal except from November to April when the weather is poor. Even Fairview east has a hill to Hurontario as well other walkways.

Everyone keeps talking about able body people walking to these stops as easy walking, but what about the person with a walker, cane, are slow walker for various reasons, the person pushing a stroller with children in tow or the person pulling a shopping cart??? Transit is not for able body riders, but all type of riders and that seems to be lost on planners and people who want speed and longer distance between stops. I known someone who used to work for TTC management and was shock how hard it was to get around the system when they had a hip replacement and forced to use a walker for a year that they change their tune on many things and push for better access for everyone.

I'd love a stop on Elm more than anyone, but I don't get why stop spacing needs to be so close in Canada, but in Europe they're much further apart. What is so different about Europe that they have their stops much further than here?

 

[drum118]

I'd love a stop on Elm more than anyone, but I don't get why stop spacing needs to be so close in Canada, but in Europe they're much further apart. What is so different about Europe that they have their stops much further than here?

They have a street edge where a lot of cities in NA don't as well quality of service with Mississauga being one of them. There is no real street edge on Hurontario other than the Dundas area with buildings in the park and long blocks for the rest of the line. The side streets are a major issues as I noted. There are long blocks in Europe like Hurontario, but the density is there which is not for Hurontario. Transit is more important Europe than the car in NA.

In many places in Europe, stops are 1000-2000m apart and I have walked to those stops along the transit route, but its a way of life over there than here. Just look at bus stops that exist today that are 150-200m apart with no need for some of them in the first place that are poorly used in the first place. A number went in that last 10 years because a few people demanded them.

I fought for the Elm stop and lost the fight like I did for Kingsbridge and a few others including Fairview. What happen to the plan stations on the north side of Burnhamthorpe and on Burnhamthorpe to allow riders to transfer between the split line than doing at the Sq One station to cut down on travel time for riders??

Look at the spacing north of Eglinton that are close to 1000m plus today for the LRT with a few locations that are planned for future stations. The future stations are north of the 401 with a possibility of one or two north of Bristol.

As a note, I came upon some 2009 poor photo shots taken in council chambers that showed the proposed Loop and it did not call for tracks on Hurontario between the 403 and Burnhamthorpe at all.

 

[Mercury]

The distance from Fairview to Central Pkwy is one thing if you live on Hurontario St, but it is a different story if you live on either side of it.

The person I was replying to was talking about the new condo right on Hurontario.

Everyone keeps talking about able body people walking to these stops as easy walking, but what about the person with a walker, cane, are slow walker for various reasons, the person pushing a stroller with children in tow or the person pulling a shopping cart??? Transit is not for able body riders, but all type of riders and that seems to be lost on planners and people who want speed and longer distance between stops.

What's the solution then? Stops every 200m? I understand that for some people, especially those with mobility problems, the stops will be too far, but the line has to run at a reasonable pace. There has to be a balance.

 

[drum118]

Stop spacing should be 350m-1km apart in a straight line based on existing conditions as well future development between stops as well what I have noted.

Lets look at the current stop spacing as well future stop spaces along with walking distance from various locations on Hurontario and need to add more distance to the side streets.

Current stops
(S) Southbound
Side Street is 1-3 bocks on either side for mostly industrial area
All figures are rounded and close as possible to the stop locations
Should be remove now

Lakeshore to Park St is 230m with no stop at Lakeshore
Park St to Englewood is about 339m plus side street
Englewood to Mineola is about 419m as Englewood keeps moving due to LRT and no final place yet.
Mineola to Pinewood is 419m
Pinewood to Pinetree/South Service Rd is 363m plus side streets
Pinetree/South Service Rd to North Service Rd is 515m
North Service Rd to Sherobee is 349m with another 476m plus for the side streets off it
Sherobee to the Queensway is 212m
The Queensway to Paisley is 316m plus another 382m+
Paisley to Floridale that did not exist until about 10 years go is 215m should be removed now
Floridale to King is 212m with Floridale should be removed now
Paisley to King would be 458m
King to Dundas is 227m
Dundas to Hillcrest 425m Northbound stop was removed some years ago for safety for TLK
Hillcrest to TLK is 189m for southbound
Hillcrest to John St is 141m with another 358m to the east
John St mid point to Fairview used to be 374m plus another 350m+
John St to Fairview is 600m
Fairview to CP is 250m plus 210/272m to Mississauga Valley Plus
CP to Elm is 258 Plus 260m to Mississauga Valley Plus
Elm to Matthew Gates is 213m
Matthew Gates to Burnhamthorpe is 184m
Route 103 from Burnhamthorpe to Robert Speck is 301 plus walking to the towers
Route 2 from Burnhamthorpe to City Centre is 647m
Kingsbridge to Eglinton is 445/(S)321m
Eglinton to Nahani is 322/(S)481m
Nahani to Trailwood mid point to is 210m plus side streets
Nahani to Trailwood is 444m plus side street
Trailwood to Bristol is 368m,
Bristol to Barondale is 381m plus side street
Barondale to Matheson is 372m plus side street
Matheson to Waltline is 253m plus side street
Waltline to Aldriidge is 297m plus side street
Aldriidge to Brunel is 296m plus side street
Brunel to Britannia is 223m plus side street
Britannia to World Dr is 1km plus side street
World Dr to Prologis is 277km plus side street
Prologis to Courtneypark is 374m plus side street
Courtneypark to Ambassador is 272m plus side street
Ambassador to Superior is 303m plus side street
Superior to Admiral is 360m plus side street
Admiral to Derry Rd is 389m plus side street
Derry to Kingsway is 196m route 2
Kingsway to Topflight is 455m route 2
Topflight to Ray Lawson is 1.3k with not service
Derry to Ray Lawson is 2km by route 103 and 502
Ray Lawson to Country Court is 465m plus side street
Country Court to Steeles south is 643km with no service.


LRT Stations
Steeles South to Ray Lawson is 1.1km plus walk to Gateway
(Steeles North to Ray Lawson) is 1.2km
Ray Lawson to Derry is 1.95km
Derry to Courtneypark is 1.43 km
(Derry to future Superior station) is 819m
(future Superior station to Courtneypark) is 615m
Courtneypark to Britannia is 1.7km
Britannia to Matheson is 1km
Matheson to Bristol is 775m
Bristol to Eglinton is 1.2km
Eglinton Robert Speck is 1.7km for bypass service
Robert Speck to Burnhamthorpe is 444m
Burnhamthorpe to CP is 638m
CP to John St is 882m
John St to Dundas is 552m on the north side
Dundas to the Queensway is 1km
Queensway to the North Service Rd is 586m
North Service Rd to Mineola is 1.33km
(South Service Rd to Mineola) is 844m
Mineola to PC is 714m

 

[JJTheJetPln]

Update re: 407 - They've installed the new girders over the Westbound lanes since I last made my comment on Monday. They're probably going to get the Eastbound girders done in the next little while. When I drove by on Monday, they were definitely all focused on the middle pillar, it seems now we know why.

 

[drum118]

Presentation going to General Committee on Nov for various RT projects with the LRT part of it.

It will be interesting to hear where things stand for not only the current line, but the 2 extensions.

Timeline for construction of Dundas BRT is to start in 2028 and completed in 2031 for 7km from Etobicoke Creek to Confederation

The presentation for the BRT starts on page 14 with the other RT projects following it.

 

[Lake Ontario]

Girders have gone up on the the westbound side of the 403:

 

[JJTheJetPln]

Early mornings are the best mornings. 407 ETR now has all the new girders installed. Here's to hoping they get more work done before the first snowfall.

 

[catcher_of_cats]

That bridge is a wide beast.

 

[crs1026]

The presentation for the BRT starts on page 14 with the other RT projects following it.

The document indicates that Dundas will have cycle tracks - tsk tsk.

- Paul

 

[drum118]

Nov 03
All photos for Oct 03 to Oct 11 are now on line

That bridge is a wide beast.

It will help the 407 when it becomes 10 lanes wide. The girders are very meaty to support the road and the guideway

Early mornings are the best mornings. 407 ETR now has all the new girders installed. Here's to hoping they get more work done before the first snowfall.View attachment 609070View attachment 609071

I shot the site on Oct 31 and the site was ready for the girders then and not surprised they were place this past week as well over the 403. There was a lot of equipment on site on that date, but very little today when I shot it.

Depending on the weather and Mobilinx finances, I expect the northbound could open late April to early June.

Looking at the corridor today, a few more spots have rail cut and removed for it for about 3-5m off the anchor plates than are not encased in concrete.

Will not be surprise to see the northbound lanes from Rathburn to the north of the 403 off ramp as the whole area has bee clean and ready to open. The 403 off ramp is wider than before and it will have to be restripe for all 4 lanes that will be there.

The ramp sidewalk to City Centre is still close as it still needs handrailing on the retraining wall. Rathbun is still waiting paving for the curb lane.

407 bridge and the rest in my backlog as well the 403 and from Wintergarden to the 403

 

[JJTheJetPln]

Depending on the weather and Mobilinx finances, I expect the northbound could open late April to early June.

You're much more optimistic about that open date than I am. I was thinking August/September of next year. I remember several pages back you had mentioned that it took them about 9-10 months to do the southbound lanes. I have a feeling it's going to take them quite a bit longer now due to the finances and what was brought to light.

 

[drum118]

Nov 03
Could not get a high seat to shoot from. Wanted to shoot a few other spots, but trucks in the way