Dan416
Senior Member
And here's the article:
http://www.thestar.com/news/transpo...money?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4cfeb7b357876808,0
Interesting quote at the end.
And here's the article:
http://www.thestar.com/news/transpo...money?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4cfeb7b357876808,0
Interesting quote at the end.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The Hurontario LRT project will sure be getting managers, planners, engineers, etc. from the postponed Finch West LRT (and altered Sheppard East) projects. At least they'll have experience to build on and hold onto until after the Ford years in Toronto, when they'll likely return.
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Dan416
Senior Member
You got any proof of this? I don't see how Mississauga and Brampton would just take City of Toronto employees....
I agree. I don't really think that Mississauga and Brampton are in the position to be poaching City of Toronto employees for their own projects. I'm not sure of the exact organizational structure of the Transit City division, but I really doubt they had engineers and planners working JUST on one project. All of those projects were in different phases at different times, so their expertise was probably divided between 3 or 4 projects.
I know with my planning work, I work on 4-5 projects in any given DAY, let alone how many I'm working on in total. Having employees working on ONLY one project would be a real waste of money.
If anything is freed up, it would have been the private consultants and sub-contractors that were working on individual aspects of the Transit City project, that now have some time freed up to work on the Hurontario LRT. However, they were probably working on it anyway, because a lot of those types of contracts go to a group of 2-3 different firms.
dowlingm
Senior Member
If secondments could be worked out, it would allow expertise to be retained in the municipal sector rather than CoT firing people and CoM hiring other people or short term contractors. When the CoT people returned from secondment they would bring experience of LRT construction under Ontario conditions.
taal
Senior Member
There's another problem here ... when / where is the money for this project coming ? No commitments on any level from what I can tell ?
doady
Senior Member
The first phase (Sq One to Downtown Brampton) isn't projected to be complete until 2016...
I doubt that they are "City of Toronto employees"...
Why do you doubt that? The TTC and the City had a whole division of planners and engineers working on Transit City. There were job postings on both the City's and TTC's website for months looking for planners and engineers specifically for the Transit City projects...
doady
Senior Member
I'm just saying they're probably not City of Toronto employees anymore, they're nobody's employees. So I don't see the problem with hiring them.
So you think the City fired them all after Transit City was canned?
taal
Senior Member
That doesn't answer my question at all? Are they going to fund it themselves ? Are they rallying for funding now ?
doady
Senior Member
Yeah, I guess they're probably still busy with the myriad other LRT projects the city has going on.
What makes you think they're going to fund themselves? Just because they haven't received funding from higher level government for a project that has just finished extensive study and doesn't even have the construction scheduled, that means they are never going to?
nfitz
Superstar
They are likely "busy" on the original projects. The commission has made no move to cancel any of these projects! No do I see anything in today's agenda to cancel or delay any of these projects.
Mapleson
Active Member
Funding will have to wait until after October, and then probably 4 more years while we weather through a Conservative term.
drum118
Superstar
There is a tender out for a new consultant for this project and it should be known by July who it will be as well getting them up to speed on it.
The first round of Open Houses will start in the fall.
By the time the EA is completed within 12 months of starting, 35% of construction drawing will be completed and ready to go to tender. The public will have a say on those drawings.
This would see this project going to Metrolinx early 2013 for approval and have the funding put in place for the 2013 Provincial budget. If approved at all levels, tenders would go out during the summer with construction starting in 2014 at the earliest.
Since the PC will most likely gain control in Oct this year, this project as well most of Move Ontario 2020 plans will be shelve for the next 4 years. GO may escape most of the cuts, and one reasons there been a push on GO project these days to make sure they get the funding to complete them under the PC.
If Mississauga and Brampton stay the course against the wishes of Metrolinx to where the carhouse will be located, the line will start at the 407 going into Brampton as well going south from there first.
This will be a P3 project not only for construction, but also for operation.
It is possible that the line will open for service in phases.
The first round of Open Houses will start in the fall.
By the time the EA is completed within 12 months of starting, 35% of construction drawing will be completed and ready to go to tender. The public will have a say on those drawings.
This would see this project going to Metrolinx early 2013 for approval and have the funding put in place for the 2013 Provincial budget. If approved at all levels, tenders would go out during the summer with construction starting in 2014 at the earliest.
Since the PC will most likely gain control in Oct this year, this project as well most of Move Ontario 2020 plans will be shelve for the next 4 years. GO may escape most of the cuts, and one reasons there been a push on GO project these days to make sure they get the funding to complete them under the PC.
If Mississauga and Brampton stay the course against the wishes of Metrolinx to where the carhouse will be located, the line will start at the 407 going into Brampton as well going south from there first.
This will be a P3 project not only for construction, but also for operation.
It is possible that the line will open for service in phases.