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[denfromoakvillemilton]

I have a friend who lives in West Hill. Anyone who drives from O'Conner to West Hill on Eg (ONCE) and has two brain cells would be in hysterics that someone would feel the need to spend billions of dollars to bury ANYTHING along that superhighway to the 'burbs. Luckily, the Fords only have one brain cell between them, so they can keep this very interesting argument going.

I agree 100%. That is a money loser from the get go. This is why I don't consider The Sun and readers conservatives. They just want to spend money on ridiculous stuff because downtown has it!!!(sarc)

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Not necessarily a bad idea to elevate that stretch of Eglinton, especially if the intent is to connect and replace SRT. I am curious what the cost of that would be, vis-a-vis putting it underground.

AoD

 

[M II A II R II K]

Even better to elevate it on the side of the road and trench it in some places.

 

[sixrings]

I definitely agree with the richview corridor for a trench. However for most of the lrt lines I was OK with it in median. But if the information is correct and a eglinton in median lrt won't be able to run frequent enough to interline with the the srt then the danforth line would have to be extended or another stupid transfer will remain.

If the eglinton lrt runs in median price with the same stop spacing as the proposed underground line and has traffic light priority will it be able to run frequent enough to interline with the lrt?

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

Oh, for f*ck's sake. There's plenty of land, no issue with deleting car lanes, and cheaper to build at grade. Just do it, for chrissakes.

What are the marginal cost increases in going from an in-median ROW with cross streets vs a fully grade separated elevated line?

 

[gweed123]

What are the marginal cost increases in going from an in-median ROW with cross streets vs a fully grade separated elevated line?

We'll find out very shortly when Ottawa recommends a trench in the Richmond-Byron corridor for the western extension of the OLRT.

Very similar to Richview in a lot of respects. It'll provide a very good case study.

 

[BurlOak]

What are the marginal cost increases in going from an in-median ROW with cross streets vs a fully grade separated elevated line?

Based on the cost of elevated lines in Vancouver, I would say $100M to 125M / km for elevated.

I think median construction for Transit City was based on $50M / km.

It is maybe 7 to 9 km from Black Creek to YYZ (depending on whether which route you take and whether you are going to meet up with Mississauga MiWay or the airport itself. Total Extra cost is about $500M.

I am not sure if Transit City actually determined details as to how it would get to the airport, but I am certain portions of the line would have been elevated near the end anyways, so the cost is probably somewhat less than above.

 

[Riverdale Rink Rat]

What are the marginal cost increases in going from an in-median ROW with cross streets vs a fully grade separated elevated line?

Why does it matter? Why does it kill everyone to support the thing that will cause LRT to be built in the shortest time at the lowest cost, using a plan that has been approved and funded?

 

[Rainforest]

Why does it matter? Why does it kill everyone to support the thing that will cause LRT to be built in the shortest time at the lowest cost, using a plan that has been approved and funded?

No, at grade vs elevated is a legitimate debate. First of all, the first section to be built is Black Creek to Yonge, almost entirely underground anyway. Eglinton East is funded but the construction will happen later, and if it can be done elevated for a small premium over at-grade, then why not? it won't delay the whole project.

Even more so for the western segment (Jane to the airport) that is not even funded at this time. Plenty of time to evaluate all options (at grade / elevated / trenched in certain sections).

 

[gweed123]

Why does it matter? Why does it kill everyone to support the thing that will cause LRT to be built in the shortest time at the lowest cost, using a plan that has been approved and funded?

It's not funded though. It was cut back in 2009. The design of this line is still very much up in the air.

As a result, I want to see it designed right. I'm willing to accept some design inefficiencies on Eglinton East, because it's much further along (although I think there are some minor changes that we can still lobby for). But Eglinton West is still wide open, so a more fundamental design debate is definitely still in the cards.

 

[Palma]

No, at grade vs elevated is a legitimate debate. First of all, the first section to be built is Black Creek to Yonge, almost entirely underground anyway. Eglinton East is funded but the construction will happen later, and if it can be done elevated for a small premium over at-grade, then why not? it won't delay the whole project.

Even more so for the western segment (Jane to the airport) that is not even funded at this time. Plenty of time to evaluate all options (at grade / elevated / trenched in certain sections).

How is an elevated LRT any different that the elevated Gardner?

I would never trust an elevated LRT. If it ever derails no where to go but down. I will never have the need to go to Scarborough so I would not be using an elevated LRT but still. And if its the western part of the LRt (west of Black Creek) I'd find ti hard to believe the citizens of Etobicoke would want to see an elevated LRT

 

[mFaust]

No, at grade vs elevated is a legitimate debate. First of all, the first section to be built is Black Creek to Yonge, almost entirely underground anyway. Eglinton East is funded but the construction will happen later, and if it can be done elevated for a small premium over at-grade, then why not? it won't delay the whole project.

Even more so for the western segment (Jane to the airport) that is not even funded at this time. Plenty of time to evaluate all options (at grade / elevated / trenched in certain sections).

Agree 100%...........build the underground section now as planned and fund. East and West ends have time for proper study with all options available on the table. Let's for once leave politics out of our transit decisions.

 

[mFaust]

How is an elevated LRT any different that the elevated Gardner?

I would never trust an elevated LRT. If it ever derails no where to go but down. I will never have the need to go to Scarborough so I would not be using an elevated LRT but still. And if its the western part of the LRt (west of Black Creek) I'd find ti hard to believe the citizens of Etobicoke would want to see an elevated LRT

Please find me an example of a transit vehicle flying off of and elevated guideway; got to be the most ridiculous comment against a proven form of transit ever.

I live along the Richview corridor and would absolutly have no problem with an elevated line(would actually prefer it be so); and in speaking with many neighbors they are very much of the same opinion. An elevated line would not interfere with anybody's views as there are no views to be had (this being the main argument agianst elevated) nobody has a home facing Eglinton between Jane and Airport and the few backyards that face Eglinton between Royal York and Wincot would easily masked by old grooth trees already planted and living there (tree canopys are inline with height of construction..IMO).

 

[Palma]

it can happen. Trains collide on the ground - they can't collide up there. Besides, what will never get them here in Toronto is that people will not want to see elevated transit going through their areas. Even New York has torn down elevated transit

 

[mFaust]

it can happen. Trains collide on the ground - they can't collide up there. Besides, what will never get them here in Toronto is that people will not want to see elevated transit going through their areas. Even New York has torn down elevated transit

So, by the same brilliant logic you just bestode on the us neither should in medium transit or underground as trains are colliding all over the place....................sheeeeeez.

Look out everyone the sky is falling; stay in and do nothing as there might be the possibly something bad might happen. world class thinking for a world class city............Winning.

As for New York tearing down elevated: easy to to when you a dozen other subway lines............oh and was wasn't elevated transit it was and expressway.