Voltz
Senior Member
We would have been riding the first phase of the line 10 years ago if it was left in TTC hands.
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ARG1
Senior Member
I'm sorry... what?
Even in the most optimistic timeline (and I do emphasize OPTIMISTIC), the Crosstown wouldn't have opened until at least 2020. That was David Miller's timeline as well. There is no universe where this thing opened in 2015.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Given the lengthy timeline even in a best case scenario, I wonder if the project could have been phased better to have brought some service online earlier. E.g. the surface section on its own, or perhaps Mount Denis to Cedervale rather than having to get the entire thing completed before it could open.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
West Park Healthcare Centre is being redeveloped next to York Humber High School. Major part of the new hospital has been finished. Starting on the other parts. Having 2-way bus service to Mount Dennis Station of Line 5 better than the current 1-way bus to Eglinton West Station of Line 1.
From https://www.westpark.org/CampusDevelopment/About
From https://www.westpark.org/CampusDevelopment/About
hw621
Senior Member
more like in the whole wide world...
stevedean
Active Member
nfitz
Superstar
No.
Even as late as April 2009, the provincial backgrounder had a 2016 opening date for Eglinton - https://news.ontario.ca/en/backgrounder/5234/province-moving-transit-projects-forward
Other lines were 2013 for Finch (Yonge to Humber), and 2015 for the conversion of the SRT to LRT, and extension to Malvern. In May 2009 the province announced the Sheppard East LRT was expected to completed from Don Mills station to Conlins Road in 2013.
It wasn't until May 2010 that the Liberal government delayed all the projects by many years: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/cc/bgrd/CC20_1_app3_3.pdf
And "deferred" a lot of the network to a future phase. Such as Eglinton west of Jane, Sheppard east of Morningside, SRT north of Sheppard, and the section of Finch from Finch West station to Don Mills station.
zang
Senior Member
Considering Boston's Green Line Extension was tied to the The Big Dig/i93, wouldn't that top the list?
smallspy
Senior Member
Or New York's Second Avenue Subway, which had sections of it built in the early 1970s?
Dan
TossYourJacket
Senior Member
One could argue the Ontario Line is the successor to the Queen St Streetcar tunnel, originally proposed in 1911, and then first built as the roughed-in East-West platform under Queen Station when the Yonge Line opened in 1954. Now to be fair, the OL won't use those platforms for trains (just as a circulation area IIRC). But if you do want to count it, in terms of the general concept of a subway under Queen St, assuming a 2031 opening date, that would be 120 years between initial proposals and being (hypothetically) finished, and 77 years between initial construction being done and full completion of the project.
zang
Senior Member
Except the Queen underground streetcar bypass was cancelled. I was going by actual project start to completion. The Big Dig literally broke ground in 1991.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
That means the "Eglinton" underground electric railway construction began in 1994. "Delayed" in 1995, by Premier Mike Harris. "Re-announced" in 2007, but with different rolling stock. "Construction" re-started again in 2010. Completion?
stevedean
Active Member
This is what the quality of these comparisons is turning into...
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UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Not sure if news or not, or if reported in the 1727 prior pages, but I heard from someone who has an informed contact at MX, that the issue for hold up was 6 stations with platforms that weren't aligned with doors. (If I understood correctly.)
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
crs1026
Superstar
Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. I care about the platforms, where there will be people waiting, the stops are at intersections which is where...
Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?
We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.
This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.
- Paul