spandrel
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I find it hard to reconcile that River City/Canary District exist in the same sphere as this. What happened to standards?
Toronto Daniels Waterfront - City of the Arts | 156.05m | 45s | Daniels | RAW Design
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I find it hard to reconcile that River City/Canary District exist in the same sphere as this. What happened to standards?
Blixtein
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The waterfront is a showcase of banal mediocrity from one end to the other. Perhaps the only exception is Monde but everything else is more or less a catastrophe.
Amare
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Heck you dont even have to travel that far to see a better waterfront district. Vancouver, San Francisco, and a whole bunch of other North American cities handle their waterfronts with much more aptitude than Toronto does. Waterfront Toronto was created in part to avoid the mistakes that were done on Queens Quay West, but yet their allowing for even more clunkers to come online.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, our waterfront is a joke.
junctionist
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Heck, Windsor arguably did a better job with its riverfront. It bought private land to build together 5 continuous kilometres of parkland in the central part of the city, with numerous works of public art, formal gardens, a large space for festivals, and other attractions.
Start Fox
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It seems no more balcony glass has been added in a long time...is there any chance that Daniels saw how horrible it looked and decided to change it?
I imagine balcony glass isn't prohibitively expensive (given the cost of the whole building) and imagine they could resell the cladding they ordered to someone, somewhere.
I imagine balcony glass isn't prohibitively expensive (given the cost of the whole building) and imagine they could resell the cladding they ordered to someone, somewhere.
alklay
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There is a greater chance of Ford building the waterfront LRT in the next 5 years, than there is in the balcony glass being redone.
(in other words, no chance)
(in other words, no chance)
condovo
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I don't think the balcony glass looks horrible. It's the highlight of the building.
Exactly, it's the window wall that's incomprehensibly horrible. Comparatively, the balcony glass is like walking on sunshine, whoa, and don't it feel good.
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isaidso
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A lot of it has to do with the culture. People forget that for most of Toronto's history this was a blue collar industrial city. This is a city where tons of people view ramshackle buildings, a jumbled mess of overhead wires, and run down as character and/or endearing. Some will even argue that it's what gives a city vibrancy. Cities like Toronto are pragmatic to a fault and view design as frivolous, HSR as an absurd extravagance, and ugly buildings as fine as they're just filler.
Toronto has obviously transformed into a white collar global city but a culture takes many many generations to catch up. We're slowly turning our attention to things like beauty, the public realm, and architecture but it's still the exception rather than the minimum standard acceptable. We can blame developers all we want but it's really just a reflection on Torontonians. Developers wouldn't design this crap if we refused to buy units in them.
We will end up with a gorgeous city but it will take another 2-3 generations before the culture completely changes. 2060? Then another 40-50 years to fix the mistakes made in the past. It's best to think of these Daniels towers as temporary structures we're building till the city is ready for something nice.
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The east tower appears to have topped out - it looks like they are finishing off the top of the elevator shaft.
UPDATE 22 August. Yes, they are clearly working on the mechanical penthouse of east tower.
UPDATE 22 August. Yes, they are clearly working on the mechanical penthouse of east tower.
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Blitz901
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You think it's bad now wait 30+ years when the newness and shine has worn off. We'll be left with towers with rust stains, grit and aged concrete. Think 1960s apartment towers that are 50 stories tall, below. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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condovo
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^^^ What' wrong with that view? It looks like São Paulo. I love SP!
kotsy
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From the ferry on my cell Sunday
Razz
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Taken August 22, 2019
condovo
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Okay. I'll concede that the east tower is pretty awful. There's some warmth in the window-wall spandrel panels, which ties in somewhat with the brick of the commercial building, but it hasn't been picked up in the balcony railings at all. Sad.