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WislaHD said:
Gonna be one of the final pictures we will have for the Eglinton bus bays.
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It's going to be on some BlogTO post 20 years from now.

"What Eglinton Avenue used to look like before Eglinton Line in Toronto"

"Top 10 historical photos of Eglinton Avenue in Toronto"

"A brief history of Toronto's lost bus routes"

"30 signs you grew up in Toronto in the 2010s"

"That time Toronto actually built a subway on Eglinton"
 
Palma said:
are you saying that the lowest bid needs to get the tender otherwise the lowest bidder can sue? If the city felt the higher bid was more reflective of the true cost and selected that how could Bombardier sue? When a tender is put together there are many requirements written into a tender prior to companies bidding. Price is not the only thing.
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If the bid was to request for the lowest bidder and if the lowest bidder followed all the rules and didn't get the tender, they can pretty much sue.

Metrolinx didn't request companies to bid for the Crosstown project but instead a Request for Qualifications to see what each company can bring forward. Metrolinx is then free to select the best proposal. The can pretty much do the same for the vehicles. This process takes much longer but it should be more successful than handing the contract out and crying hopelessly afterwards.
 
cplchanb said:
Nice....so all they did for over month since they announced on their site:http://www.thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/demolition-work-for-future-eglinton-station-0
was park a few sea containers and a trailer...Even if they can blame the unseasonably cold weather for not digging at least they can tear down the structures. I'm pretty sure you dont need 15C weather to do that..... Now I'm beginning to understand why its going to take until 2021....this is a clear example of the inefficiencies in their construction scheduling.
Either that or theres a serious disconnect between them and PR. Either way... we're still on the hook to pay for a trailer sittting in an empty lot with no activity/progress going on.

Whoever is responsible for making everyone who relies on crosstown.ca believe that progress is being made whether its PR or the construction manager really ought to be disciplined/fired, but thats not going to happen.....unions/govt contracts....
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This isn't some clapboard shack they're tearing down. Do you realize the size of this site? There has to be a lot of planning and coordination to do this the proper and safe way. You can't just go in there and start smashing away. There are underground tunnels, utilities and god knows what is under there. So they say they are starting demolition. They have. It starts with careful planning. And, thank god for unions.
 
barit said:
This isn't some clapboard shack they're tearing down. Do you realize the size of this site? There has to be a lot of planning and coordination to do this the proper and safe way. You can't just go in there and start smashing away. There are underground tunnels, utilities and god knows what is under there. So they say they are starting demolition. They have. It starts with careful planning. And, thank god for unions.
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It should be noted that there has been some mapping of utilities and other underground features. Green and orange spraypaint on the ground are visible in midtowner's pic.
 
cplchanb said:
Nice....so all they did for over month since they announced on their site:http://www.thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/demolition-work-for-future-eglinton-station-0
was park a few sea containers and a trailer...Even if they can blame the unseasonably cold weather for not digging at least they can tear down the structures. I'm pretty sure you dont need 15C weather to do that..... Now I'm beginning to understand why its going to take until 2021....this is a clear example of the inefficiencies in their construction scheduling.
Either that or theres a serious disconnect between them and PR. Either way... we're still on the hook to pay for a trailer sittting in an empty lot with no activity/progress going on.
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Its all being built at once so what's the rush? They could have this station done today and it would still sit empty until 2021 either way.
 
rbt said:
And a valid and winnable lawsuit from Bombardier if the city failed to follow bidding rules and went with the higher bidder. Also, Miller was elected largely because of the MFP scandal which was caused almost entirely by not following the cities tendering practices.
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And yet bidding rules and tendering practices can only get you so far - now you're stuck with someone who basically can't deliver to the terms of the contract. Time is money afterall.

What I really wanted to see is an analysis of city procurement and see just what percentage of bids actually ended up delayed and overbudget.

AoD
 
Edward Skira said:
Its all being built at once so what's the rush? They could have this station done today and it would still sit empty until 2021 either way.[/QUOTE
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its amazing how we keep hearting 2021 for how and will still be told it came in on time. Like they kept increasing the Pan Am Games budget and said it came in on budget at the end
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
And yet bidding rules and tendering practices can only get you so far - now you're stuck with someone who basically can't deliver to the terms of the contract. Time is money afterall.
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Sure, shit happens and things don't always turn out the way you would hope. My intention was to point out the city had no choice but to go with Bombardier for the streetcars at that time; our own electorate including many people on this forum at that time would have been super furious even without direct legal consequences.

AlvinofDiaspar said:
What I really wanted to see is an analysis of city procurement and see just what percentage of bids actually ended up delayed and overbudget.
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That would be interesting. Overbudget is tricky because more often than not it's in direct response to citizen demands (contract changes).
 
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