Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[W. K. Lis]

It also got a 50+ year head start...

Then there are those who insist on driving a car in bumper to bumper traffic (using up precise fuel, wear and tear on the vehicle, and their nerves) to park in a parking lot for $25, then walk 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 blocks to their destination, only to reverse the process afterwards.

 

[Markster]

It's unfortunate that they are not going to take the opportunity to easily eliminate a transfer.
It will be a travesty if they build a brand new Kennedy station that specifically restricts the ability to eliminate the transfer.

It might be that the TTC is operationally unsure of themselves to run the line on the surface in the middle segment, but they should not enshrine that in a new build.

 

[Riverdale Rink Rat]

It might be that the TTC is operationally unsure of themselves to run the line on the surface in the middle segment, but they should not enshrine that in a new build.

What does this mean? Could you rephrase?

 

[Electrify]

While continuing to transfer at Kennedy will suck, I don't think it will be as bad as some may think. Currently the problem isn't the transfer, but the fact that the line goes nowhere and is essentially a middle man.

Let's compare the Scarborough RT to The York University BRT. Both have you transfer to them in the middle of nowhere, but while York is the destination for the majority of riders, Scarborough Town Centre is yet another transfer point. With the Scarborough LRT in Transit City, the line will continue to Centennial College and to the Sheppard East LRT and possibly beyond. It will become a trunk line for Scarborough rather than an extension done cheap.

This is my problem with the current plans for Sheppard. The current subway becomes nothing more than a middle man, forcing the majority of riders to transfer to actually go anywhere.

 

[gweed123]

While continuing to transfer at Kennedy will suck, I don't think it will be as bad as some may think. Currently the problem isn't the transfer, but the fact that the line goes nowhere and is essentially a middle man.

Let's compare the Scarborough RT to The York University BRT. Both have you transfer to them in the middle of nowhere, but while York is the destination for the majority of riders, Scarborough Town Centre is yet another transfer point. With the Scarborough LRT in Transit City, the line will continue to Centennial College and to the Sheppard East LRT and possibly beyond. It will become a trunk line for Scarborough rather than an extension done cheap.

This is my problem with the current plans for Sheppard. The current subway becomes nothing more than a middle man, forcing the majority of riders to transfer to actually go anywhere.

But the York U Busway was just a temporary solution until the TYSSE opened. It wasn't meant to be a permanent solution, unlike the linear transfers at Kennedy and Don Mills.

 

[Rainforest]

I don't think that there is any real value in having the Crosstown proceed underground on Eglinton proper east of Laird toward Brentcliffe. The following is an alternative that is definitely more expensive but is, perhaps, also more useful.

From the corner of Eglinton and Laird, tunnel diagonally to Vanderhoof and Brentcliffe and establish a station, with a surface bus platform, there. The bus platform, roughly at the southeast corner of the intersection would be a terminus for the 51 Leslie and 56 Leaside routes, with the 88 / 88A South Leaside running through the station.

This station would benefit:

- The residents of "Hyde Park" and of Scenic towers 1, 2, and 3 directly;
- The residents of North Leaside at Eglinton and Brentcliffe (reasonable walking distance compared with existing two bus stops);
- The residents of Thorncliffe Park, via the 88 / 88A South Leaside route;
- Out of area shoppers that could more easily access the area's big box stores.

The line would continue underground east along Vanderhoof to the edge of the Don Valley, likely impacting the existence of one warehouse, before emerging on a bridge that would roughly parallel the east side of the CP Rail bridge. This bridge would cross over Eglinton to provide a potential link to a future GO Transit line, and service to the existing condo community, before turning east and gradually descending and going underground to reach Eglinton and Don Mills.

Sounds interesting.

However, east of the CP / Eglinton bridge it is easier to keep the LRT line at grade on the south side of Eglinton. Either close the Celestica ramps, or thread the line south of them; in the latter case, a station near the Science Centre entrance can be added.

 

[spider]

If the intersection of Eglinton and Leslie is to be avoided how are the Leslie and Lawrence Ave. E routes going to be interfaced with the new service?

 

[Rainforest]

If the intersection of Eglinton and Leslie is to be avoided how are the Leslie and Lawrence Ave. E routes going to be interfaced with the new service?

The 54 Lawrence E bus will terminate at Don Mills / Eglinton in any case (even if there is a station at Leslie). The current plan includes a bus terminal at Don Mills.

And in any case, some arrangement will have to be made for the 51 Leslie bus. It might loop on streets, or go to the Eglinton / Don Mills terminal (that makes sense if DRL East reaches that point), or even continue running to Yonge and serve local stops where the underground LRT stop spacing is relatively wide.

 

[Johnny Au]

Given the plan to include Laird Station, the 56 Leaside can be rerouted to serve the hospitals just north of Leaside (such as Holland Bloorview Kids Rehabilitation Hospital, the Toronto Rehab Centre, and CAMH), and it can terminate at Sunnybrook. This way, it would add some convenience for those who live in East York to travel to Sunnybrook, as well as providing transit access to more hospitals near there.

 

[ssiguy2]

Transit planning in Toronto is if nothing else entertaining. Sad but entertaning. Maybe I'm getting this wrong but has the Eglinton/Scar Crosstown now become just an Eglinton Line? Can someone please explain to me what exactly is going on with th Crosstown and SRT.........what EXACTLY is this thing going to look like?

PS......I will not hold you responsible for any changes that will no doubt occur next week and the week after that etc, etc

 

[W. K. Lis]

Transit planning in Toronto is if nothing else entertaining. Sad but entertaning. Maybe I'm getting this wrong but has the Eglinton/Scar Crosstown now become just an Eglinton Line? Can someone please explain to me what exactly is going on with th Crosstown and SRT.........what EXACTLY is this thing going to look like?

PS......I will not hold you responsible for any changes that will no doubt occur next week and the week after that etc, etc

The TTC does good planning, but its getting the capital funding from city, province, and federal governments that is the problem. Other cities of the worlds are better supported at the state AND federal levels, not so for Canada more specifically Ontario, until only recently. Even so, some other government may come in with their own "common sense" and get rid of funding... again.

 

[Hipster Duck]

The TTC does good planning, but its getting the capital funding from city, province, and federal governments that is the problem. Other cities of the worlds are better supported at the state AND federal levels, not so for Canada more specifically Ontario, until only recently. Even so, some other government may come in with their own "common sense" and get rid of funding... again.

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Toronto might have an issue trying to pay for its transit operations with its existing funding, but capital funding is certainly not responsible for Toronto's farcical transit planning.

Other than New York City, no other city in North America has more transit capital expansion money being thrown at it right now than Toronto. Sure, some cities like LA have big, expensive plans but those are contingent on the municipalities raising their own money in the future.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Toronto currently has over 14 billion being invested in transit.. And at least 11 billion of that comes from the provincial and federal governments.

Though there is stupid amounts of money being pumped into transit right now, that is not historicly accurate. Toronto has
More being invested this decade than the last 3 decades combined.

 

[andrewpmk]

Toronto currently has over 14 billion being invested in transit.. And at least 11 billion of that comes from the provincial and federal governments.

Though there is stupid amounts of money being pumped into transit right now, that is not historicly accurate. Toronto has
More being invested this decade than the last 3 decades combined.

Which is still horribly inadequate, given that we have spent basically 0 on transit expansion in the last 30 years except for half a Sheppard subway and Downsview station, and we have some of the worst traffic congestion in North America as a result. We need a budget of more like $50 billion dollars, to upgrade the proposed light rail lines to subways, get started with upgrading the GO train system to high frequency all day service, and improve the terribly inadequate bus systems in the 905 suburbs.

 

[gweed123]

Which is still horribly inadequate, given that we have spent basically 0 on transit expansion in the last 30 years except for half a Sheppard subway and Downsview station, and we have some of the worst traffic congestion in North America as a result. We need a budget of more like $50 billion dollars, to upgrade the proposed light rail lines to subways, get started with upgrading the GO train system to high frequency all day service, and improve the terribly inadequate bus systems in the 905 suburbs.

But until you get an electorate that is going to realize that in order to get all that stuff they're going to actually have to PAY for it, it's not going to happen.

A good chunk of the electorate does realize that. But an even bigger chunk a) doesn't think that transit expansion is the solution, b) isn't willing to pay for it, or c) just wants to sit around and bitch that everyone in charge is an idiot.

More and more people are waking up to the fact that lack of funding is a problem and that in order to get what we need we have to pay more. But let's face it, 30% of the electorate is always going to be a ball and chain around the neck of the other 70%. Until will tell that 30% to STFU and sit down, we're going to be stuck in this no-go situation, because 30% says no, 30% says yes, and 40% doesn't give a shit.