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Toronto Crosstown LRT | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

W. K. Lis said:
Toronto transit users will be looking for the white and red signs of the TTC. Expect "lost" users.

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syn said:
Strange. Why not stick with red and white?
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As someone who has lived in cities other than Toronto (outside the GTHA), it still boggles my mind that anyone thinks sticking the the TTC standard for design is a good idea - these poles are indeed quite standard and they really don't hold up against best practices in other cities - they look bad and give you very little information.
 
superelevation said:
As someone who has lived in cities other than Toronto (outside the GTHA), it still boggles my mind that anyone thinks sticking the the TTC standard for design is a good idea - these poles are indeed quite standard and they really don't hold up against best practices in other cities - they look bad and give you very little information.
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Which is why none of them are used any more. I'm not sure what you are suggesting.
 
The current TTC poles are only slightly better. Now you know the routes, full or limited service and the stop ID to text for the next vehicle but without a data plan on your phone, you'll have no idea of the direction or destination of the routes. Without any posted schedules either, now they expect everyone to be in the digital age.
 
Steve X said:
The current TTC poles are only slightly better. Now you know the routes, full or limited service and the stop ID to text for the next vehicle but without a data plan on your phone, you'll have no idea of the direction or destination of the routes. Without any posted schedules either, now they expect everyone to be in the digital age.
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Other cities are just as bad and many of the signs just look like a no-parking sign as they are put up on a non-discript post mounted fairly high up and hard to read from a distance or spot amongst other signs in the area.

Unfortunately for the people who don't have data plans or smartphones that's the way the world, in general, is moving it's just like how less and less businesses want to take cash anymore.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Other cities are just as bad and many of the signs just look like a no-parking sign as they are put up on a non-discript post mounted fairly high up and hard to read from a distance or spot amongst other signs in the area.

Unfortunately for the people who don't have data plans or smartphones that's the way the world, in general, is moving it's just like how less and less businesses want to take cash anymore.
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I posted this last year in the Wayfinding thread - a bus stop I saw when I was in Chicago. First time I'd ever seen maps on a bus stop.
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sche said:
I posted this last year in the Wayfinding thread - a bus stop I saw when I was in Chicago. First time I'd ever seen maps on a bus stop.
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I'd say it's badly positioned and blocks the stop sign. Yes having a map in is good but the overall design of it is not very practical.
 
Steve X said:
The current TTC poles are only slightly better. Now you know the routes, full or limited service and the stop ID to text for the next vehicle but without a data plan on your phone, you'll have no idea of the direction or destination of the routes. Without any posted schedules either, now they expect everyone to be in the digital age.
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There's a pretty strong grid system in Toronto. I suspect not knowing a destination isn't a huge issue. And there's a full system map in just about every shelter.

Meanwhile a lot of systems don't seem to have adopted texting for the next vehicle yet. But I know ... the grass is always greener. Or oranger on Crosstown.
 
sche said:
I posted this last year in the Wayfinding thread - a bus stop I saw when I was in Chicago. First time I'd ever seen maps on a bus stop.
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Tonnes of TTC bus stops have maps? I don't know that they put them in at new stops but a lot of major intersection have little maps of the bus routes that stop there
 
allengeorge said:
I've seen them at some MTA stops in Brooklyn. Paper, and placed in a box under the stop marker though.
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There are maps in boxes at every stop in Ottawa, as well.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Other cities are just as bad and many of the signs just look like a no-parking sign as they are put up on a non-discript post mounted fairly high up and hard to read from a distance or spot amongst other signs in the area.

Unfortunately for the people who don't have data plans or smartphones that's the way the world, in general, is moving it's just like how less and less businesses want to take cash anymore.
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Why is everything a race to the bottom. Other cities can be bad all they want, I just want us to do better in Toronto.
 
superelevation said:
Why is everything a race to the bottom. Other cities can be bad all they want, I just want us to do better in Toronto.
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I think Toronto and the TTC are doing much better than other cities by embracing technology rather than staying stuck in the past with paper maps and printed schedules that can change and need to be reprinted and updated. Most of the time if I want to plan where I'm going now if it's somewhere new or I'm unfamiliar with it I'll use either City Mapper or Google Maps to find my destination, I can't even remember the last time I looked at a bus or streetcar route map on a pole.
 
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