Toronto 50 Bloor Street West | 230.11m | 70s | Morguard Corporation | Pellow + Associates

when you take the square footage of this thing and divide it by the amount of units, you end up with over 1,200 square feet a unit. this is almost certainly a luxury development.
 
khristopher said:
Toronto is a modern city compared to your examples. You know the difference, so I'm not sure why you bothered to even point these examples out.
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They have the right to post what ever they wish without your bullying. You have your opinion, it is no more important than theirs!
 
GrinTO said:
They have the right to post what ever they wish without your bullying. You have your opinion, it is no more important than theirs!
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I'm not sure how you could possibly construe that as bullying, unless simply disagreeing with someone is bullying.
 
Ramako said:
This might help clear things up: After following up with my source, it turns out 50 Bloor is not the site that my info relates to. All I know is (1) the architectural firms involved, (2) that it's going to be large and (3) that it's not yet a sure thing. I have no idea about the location.
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Ramako said:
I can't say for sure that the developer is even Oxford, but I suspect it is given some of the rumblings about them recently.
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Aha, thanks Ramako.

So now we have

1) An 83s project at 50 Bloor Street West (Holt's)
- Oxford involved per Mongo, but Morguard also known as the reported owner of the property, so some oddness there to resolve
- No firm indications yet on architect. Could line up with oldish rumours of a tall Oxford project in the Yorkville area involving Will Alsop, alternately that could be complete vapour
- There's a Hariri Pontarini design concept for redevelopment of the site that's been kicking around for a while with a 48s, hypercarbuncled tower at the back of the lot.

2) A big project at 2 Bloor Street West (Cumberland Terrace)
- Oxford owned, immediately east of Holt's
- Originally two towers designed by B+H Architects. New rumours, per p5connex, that it's a single tower designed by a UK architect "Sir x", colourful and mechanical in terms of style

3) A third, mystery project of amazingness, brought to our awareness by Ramako
- Potentially Oxford, potentially not
- Not one of the above two projects
- By an international architect not named Will Alsop
- "Juicy"

I think that catches us all up :)
 
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Platform 27 said:
3) A third, mystery project of amazingness, brought to our awareness by Ramako
- Potentially Oxford, potentially not
- Not one of the above two projects
- By an international architect not named Will Alsop
- "Juicy"
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Let's just say that I can corroborate some of the things that have been said in this thread.
 
thecharioteer said:
Because everything about it is a fantasy based on incorrect information (owner, height, address).
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How is the address or height incorrect? The application specifically states 50 Bloor West and 83 storeys, 8 of which are to be a Holt's department store & other retail. It's not just some fantasy.
 
buildup said:
Its surprising the demands we put on high-rises to be everything for everyone. Is a tall residential tower in a residential area supposed to somehow include and ensure success of retail at street level? Does every block in Etobicoke have a Five Thieves? I you look at many old iconic towers - residential and commercial - most do not have thriving retail because that wasn't their purpose or location. That applies to New York and Chicago too.

If the street has thriving retail, as Bloor does, then obviously its going to make the most of it and there is no need to fret. But its unreasonable to expect every Cityplace or SouthCore tower to have a Whole Foods, Nieman Marcus, Indigo, Famous Players, Ashley's, Prius dealership, or 4 star restaurant...much as it might please us.
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Never suggested that these buildings need have any of those establishments. I'd be fine with a 1-star burrito joint or a 7/11 really. But, the truth is that what happens at street level should be the most important aspect as that's the part that we interact with and will interact with for decades to come. Contributing to the vibrancy of the street level is integral in maintaining a great urban environment, and there's no excuse for not addressing that whether the building is 1-storey or 100. I'd also suggest that focusing on the street-level is far more important in the downtown core compared to Etobicoke where buildings are setback farther from the road and there is far less pedestrian traffic.

Simply put, as a Planner I'd argue it's good urban planning to address the street level first and foremost.
 
MisterF said:
Actually the race would be when the application gets submitted and when the guidelines get approved. Once an application is submitted it's evaluated based on the policy in place on that day, and future changes in policy don't affect it. And even if the guidelines were approved by Council, they do have the power to approve something that doesn't entirely conform to it.


Wow, I didn't realize that Paris wasn't a city. Apparently Madrid and St. Petersburg aren't either. They had me fooled all this time!


I agree that 50 Bloor is perfectly appropriate for an 80+ storey building. But the argument that cities automatically equal skyscrapers and if you don't like a proposal you should move the the country is ridiculous.
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Maybe Paris wasn't a good example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-tallest-building-Hermitage-Plaza-Paris.html
 
St. Petersburg was very close to get its first supertall, the Okhta Centre (Gasprom Tower) the project that was scrapped due to strong local opposition:

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I am surprised that Daily Mail crowns Shard as the tallest building in Europe. The Mercury Tower in Moscow is soon to top out at 332m. Even now, it is higher than Shard. Either they didn't do their homework, or have distorted view of Europe borders...
 
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