WislaHD
Superstar
The Esso and Circle K at the corner of Sheppard and Bayview was listed for sale on Cushman Wakefield's website. As per the broker brochure:
Conceptual density and massing from brochure marketing material:
Toronto 461 Sheppard Avenue East | 144m | 44s | 461 Sheppard Ave E Properties | Graziani + Corazza
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The Esso and Circle K at the corner of Sheppard and Bayview was listed for sale on Cushman Wakefield's website. As per the broker brochure:
Conceptual density and massing from brochure marketing material:
Undead
Senior Member
Pier 27 is that you? Looks much nicer than the 500 Shep West rendering across the street. Though I would bump the height another 5-10 floors.
These two proposals suggest to me the YMCA will get a dev proposal soon.
Shame the Arc building wasn't integrated with the NE Bayview Station entrance.
These two proposals suggest to me the YMCA will get a dev proposal soon.
Shame the Arc building wasn't integrated with the NE Bayview Station entrance.
sunnyraytoronto
Senior Member
Rendering for 500 Sheppard East is based on approvals. This site has no approvals - so buyer beware! I seriously doubt anything close to this rendering will ever be allowed on this site,... especially since there are single residential houses southwest of site - this site will likely have 45 degree Terrance system to minimize shadowing to the single residential houses and thus be significantly shorter than rendering
Northern Light
Superstar
Site is now Canderel's by the looks of it.
They have registered to lobby on development of it.
They have registered to lobby on development of it.
AlbertC
Superstar
Undead
Senior Member
Brb, chugging all the gasoline at that station.
Northern Light
Superstar
This one is now public in the AIC.
Bit more than the 22s previously guessed at.........
They are asking 43s.
We will have to summon one of North York's most influential citizens @sunnyraytoronto to have this denied. That doesn't really have anything to do with the height..........it has everything to do with Graziani + Corazza being the architect.
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From the above:
Site Plan:
Note that there are no renders included in the App, only these massing drawings. Did G+C really feel like this would exempt them from a thorough shaming?
Ground Floor Plan:
Floor Plate: 750m2
Parking Ratio: 0.23
Elevator Ratio: 5 elevators / 526 units = 0.95 elevators per 100 units
Further Comments:
The streetscape design along Sheppard is abysmal. Few trees, inadequate width, no material buffer between pedestrian flow and traffic.
No trees at all on Bayview. Ack!
Elevator ratio is ok'ish; parking ratio could be tighter but not terrible here.
Height precedent: 500 Sheppard across the way has the greenlight for 41s; in that context 43 seems quite attainable.
For a potentially prominent building and site, its a pity I have no faith in the proponent or the architect to deliver on that potential.
@Paclo must be notifed of the app.
Which should also be flagged to @HousingNowTO for being a large build sitting right on top of a subway station, ideal for some affordable housing.
Bit more than the 22s previously guessed at.........
They are asking 43s.
We will have to summon one of North York's most influential citizens @sunnyraytoronto to have this denied. That doesn't really have anything to do with the height..........it has everything to do with Graziani + Corazza being the architect.
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www.toronto.ca
From the above:
Site Plan:
Note that there are no renders included in the App, only these massing drawings. Did G+C really feel like this would exempt them from a thorough shaming?
Ground Floor Plan:
Floor Plate: 750m2
Parking Ratio: 0.23
Elevator Ratio: 5 elevators / 526 units = 0.95 elevators per 100 units
Further Comments:
The streetscape design along Sheppard is abysmal. Few trees, inadequate width, no material buffer between pedestrian flow and traffic.
No trees at all on Bayview. Ack!
Elevator ratio is ok'ish; parking ratio could be tighter but not terrible here.
Height precedent: 500 Sheppard across the way has the greenlight for 41s; in that context 43 seems quite attainable.
For a potentially prominent building and site, its a pity I have no faith in the proponent or the architect to deliver on that potential.
@Paclo must be notifed of the app.
Which should also be flagged to @HousingNowTO for being a large build sitting right on top of a subway station, ideal for some affordable housing.
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HousingNowTO
Senior Member
OK, following --- but they'll need to relax that 750 m2 Floorplate to make any of the units "affordable" - and get rid of the Balconies.
Unfortunately, that looks difficult on that current parcel unless they acquire the lands / low-rise buildings to the west along Sheppard...
Unfortunately, that looks difficult on that current parcel unless they acquire the lands / low-rise buildings to the west along Sheppard...
Northern Light
Superstar
Given that they have to allow for future tall buildings on adjacent sites, there really isn't much room, to grow the floor plate, err, they could wrestle it up to 850'ish.........but the streetscape deficiencies above may already be the result of them trying to shoehorn here.......
Completely agree, some additional room would help this site in terms both economic viability and constructability.
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Amare
Senior Member
All I want for Christmas this year is for G+C to fade into the sunset once and for all.
This is going to be disgusting to look at from all angles, those poor 401 drivers I feel for them.
This is going to be disgusting to look at from all angles, those poor 401 drivers I feel for them.
AlbertC
Superstar
At least the NY Towers provide some visually interesting kitsch with their rooflines as you drive by...
christiesplits
Senior Member
I can't deny it's a prime location for a tall condo, but that intersection is absolutely brutal for traffic.
throwaway
New Member
I don't quite understand the car access. It seems that the only entrance is south on Bayview. So someone getting out of the 401 West.. has no access without doing a U-turn at Sheppard?
What about someone exiting the condo, they can only go to Bayview south?
I've downloaded the Transportation Impact Study and it doesn't seem to be adressed, or I don't understand it.
What about someone exiting the condo, they can only go to Bayview south?
I've downloaded the Transportation Impact Study and it doesn't seem to be adressed, or I don't understand it.
flonicky
Active Member
G+C buildings would be 50% better if they did 50% less. They just love to fill their facades with useless nonsense "design".
xy3
Active Member
The proposed design makes NY Towers look beautiful by comparision.