Toronto 250 Lawrence West | 35.05m | 9s | Graywood | BDP Quadrangle
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ADRM
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I do hate it when 12 storey condos inevitably lead to massive increases in crime...
innsertnamehere
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Think of the children! they will be mortified by a "ugly horrible tall high rise" of a whopping 12 stories.
"crime will increase because these buyers will make *only* 150k per household, imagine the poverty they must be in that forces them to crime! They can't even afford a $2 million detached!"
"crime will increase because these buyers will make *only* 150k per household, imagine the poverty they must be in that forces them to crime! They can't even afford a $2 million detached!"
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ChesterCopperpot
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It's not even 12 storeys anymore either - it's 9 plus MPH
ADRM
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So then just an alarming spike in crime rather than an all-out crime spree.
someMidTowner
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To add to the irony, the complex to the south (I'm a resident) that is active in fighting this includes an 8-storey (plus MPH) building directly opposite the 250 Lawrence site. I believe the complex's FSI is still denser than what is being proposed, though I can't find the early 2000s planning docs to confirm this.
mikejb
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The crime comment was a result of the recent swarming incidents at Yonge and Eg. The police were warming residence that far north to be aware of them. They are just making use of those events, unfortunately.
ADRM
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There is no circumstance in which "the crime will go up in our neighbourhood", to quote the letter directly, is a reasonable comment.
mikejb
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Agreed!
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What is a "swarming incident"?
mikejb
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Kids from North Toronto and Northern from what I understand were jumping other kids in groups. Incidents came as far north as Blythwood from what I heard. Kids were getting beaten up for their clothes, shoes, iPhones, etc.
https://www.cp24.com/news/six-teens...g-robberies-near-yonge-and-eglinton-1.3844540
someMidTowner
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Teenagers were "swarming" and robbing/threatening random people in Midtown. https://www.cp24.com/news/six-teens...g-robberies-near-yonge-and-eglinton-1.3844540
A hilarious stretch to connect that case with a condo development at Avenue and Lawrence.
someMidTowner
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The NIMBY neighbourhood association rep just knocked on my door with a petition to fight the development.
I talked to the man in the hallway, in hopes that others would hear. He lives in my building, so I kept it respectful, but I took the time to overturn every argument on that petition. When I challenged him saying that the proposal isn't even 12 storeys anymore, he jumped at the chance to minimize losses to his argument by claiming it was 10 storeys. I corrected him and accused him of intentionally using outdated information and baseless facts to fight a development.
Others on my floor signed. It's easier for some to believe the misinformation and not worry about their property values than it is to actually examine the facts and come to the same conclusion: not worrying about your property values.
I talked to the man in the hallway, in hopes that others would hear. He lives in my building, so I kept it respectful, but I took the time to overturn every argument on that petition. When I challenged him saying that the proposal isn't even 12 storeys anymore, he jumped at the chance to minimize losses to his argument by claiming it was 10 storeys. I corrected him and accused him of intentionally using outdated information and baseless facts to fight a development.
Others on my floor signed. It's easier for some to believe the misinformation and not worry about their property values than it is to actually examine the facts and come to the same conclusion: not worrying about your property values.
innsertnamehere
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This has been approved at the OMB according to the NRU.